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Almost exactly. Point well made. Indeed, Galadriel tells us definitively that something HAS been lost

AinurOlorin
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Jan 31 2013, 11:32pm


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Almost exactly. Point well made. Indeed, Galadriel tells us definitively that something HAS been lost [In reply to] Can't Post

The World is changing. . . much that once was is now lost. The tone is melancholy and sad from the onset. Even before the grey, grim spectacle of war, there is a heavy sorrow, and the promise that great and in some cases wondrous things have come and gone and will not be seen again.

An Unexpected Journey has a very different prologue from that. Yes, there is the granduer and eventually some of the dark seriousness of Rings. . . but never the brooding melancholy of the Fellowship prologue, nor of many parts of the Rings films. The Hobbit indeed begins with a "once upon a time, there was a wondrous kingdom. . . and then something terrible befell. . . and a prince went into exile, and brooded bitterly on his return." Yes, there is serious content there. . . but it isn't near so sad nor so massive in it's scale, and it does not lay a foundation of loss, sorrow and forboding in the way that the Rings prolouge does.

Very well stated Arandiel. I appreciated this post, and I am pleased to know that you appreciated mine.

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of the AUJ prologue quite different from FotR's prologue, for many reasons, but the overarching difference for me is in the identity and sound of the narrator. Bilbo and Galadriel are completely different as narrators. Both carry authority, certainly, but Galadriel's voice is full of mystery and loss and dark portent. Ian Holm's Bilbo, by contrast, is an elder starting off with "Once upon a time..." There is a warmth in his tone that Cate Blanchett (rightly) doesn't have in the FotR prologue. With Bilbo, we the audience are entering into a tale simply told; with Galadriel, we are entering into the epic of how the world was nearly lost and now might be again.

And I appreciate much of what you state in your original post, AinurOlorin. Thank you!


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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Why, to my mind, An Unexpected Journey greatly adds to rather than detracts from LOTR's fim legacy. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 30 2013, 2:04am
    We are on the same highway again Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jan 30 2013, 2:29am
        Absolutely. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 30 2013, 2:54am
            Always a chance Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jan 30 2013, 3:32am
    what do you hate about the dwarf histroy? lurtz2010 Send a private message to lurtz2010 Jan 30 2013, 5:59am
        Thror getting killed before the main battle is essential to understanding the war and the dwarves. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 30 2013, 6:20am
    Thanks for you post LordMaximus Send a private message to LordMaximus Jan 30 2013, 6:24am
        Agreed. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 30 2013, 6:31am
            Pace and import Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jan 30 2013, 12:39pm
            You do that for sure Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jan 30 2013, 8:10pm
    to the op redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 30 2013, 12:45pm
        *warm smile and blush* AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 30 2013, 7:05pm
    It was setup to fail, though stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 30 2013, 1:17pm
        Are you insinuating Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Jan 30 2013, 3:53pm
            The prologue invoked LOTR stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 30 2013, 8:16pm
        The tone of the prologue for AUJ is mixed, like the movie. And it does not go AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 30 2013, 7:22pm
            I found the tone Arandiel Send a private message to Arandiel Jan 31 2013, 6:02am
                Almost exactly. Point well made. Indeed, Galadriel tells us definitively that something HAS been lost AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 31 2013, 11:32pm
    The films Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 30 2013, 4:14pm
    Appreciate the thoughtful post Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 30 2013, 5:43pm
        Aww. Thank you, as well. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 30 2013, 7:52pm
    Great post! Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 31 2013, 7:36am
        Thank you! And I absolutely agree with your comment about that fading and loss AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 31 2013, 11:57pm
            Thanks for a heartful posting Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 1 2013, 12:58am
                I am glad you did. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 1 2013, 1:49am
    Thank you for this lovely post! elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Jan 31 2013, 4:31pm
        ;) AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 1 2013, 1:49am
    Agreed Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Feb 1 2013, 1:09am
        This is very true. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 1 2013, 1:53am

 
 
 

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