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Arandir
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Jan 31 2013, 7:05pm
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Copycat Dialogue or a Prelude to Genius? TH vs LOTR scriptwriting
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It has occurred to me, upon multiple viewings of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, that one can find many examples in which particular phrases from the dialogue are strongly remindful of specific scenes in The Lord of the Rings Trilogy. I've tried to compile a list of those that I have managed to spot and the scenes in which they occur. The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (Bag End - An Unexpected Party) Gandalf: "... let us have a little more light" The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Moria - Journey in the Dark) Gandalf: "Let me risk a little more light" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (Rivendell) Gandalf to Thorin: "...we have questions that need to be answered" The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Bag End) Gandalf to Frodo: " Questions. Questions that need answering" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (Riddles in the Dark) Gollum to Bilbo: "Mustn't ask us! Not it's business!" The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (The Dead Marshes) Gollum to Frodo: "Mustn't ask us! Not it's business!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (Trollshaws) Kili to Tom the troll: "Drop him!" The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (Shelob's Lair) Sam: "Let him go!" (Okay, so in this case, the dialogue isn't very similar - but the actions are. In The Hobbit, the trolls ruthlessly throw Bilbo upon Kili; whilst in Sam's case, Shelob carelessly drops Frodo's body to the ground). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I could swear that I heard Gollum's "That's a meaty mouthful!" to Bilbo during the Riddles in the Dark sequence, somewhere in The Two Towers or The Return of the King - but I just can't find it. However, I'm sure there are more phrases like this! I think it's quite fascinating that there is this subtle (or not so subtle in case of fans) connection - apart from the other references throughout the film. I have no doubt that we will see more of these extracts we've grown so accustomed to through The Lord of the Rings, in the next two installments of The Hobbit I don't think it's merely a case of the screenwriters "adopting" parts of the Rings script and using it sparingly into that of The Hobbit. But rather as a means to further reinforce the connection between both stories and create an interesting symmetry between the simple and innocent story, with the darker and more complex tale. On the other hand, does it maybe (like some of the used score from Rings) draw you back out of this film and make you think of that particular dialogue as it occurred in The Lord of the Rings?
'The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey' Review
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Copycat Dialogue or a Prelude to Genius? TH vs LOTR scriptwriting
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Arandir
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Jan 31 2013, 7:05pm
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Another one is ....
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Aranaes
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Jan 31 2013, 7:19pm
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I agree and think this is more likely...
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Owain
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Jan 31 2013, 7:22pm
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Think it is just coincidence
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shadowdog
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Jan 31 2013, 7:25pm
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Fly you fools/ This way/run you fools
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oncefaster
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Jan 31 2013, 7:45pm
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How 'bout within the film?
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Brandybuckled
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Jan 31 2013, 8:46pm
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Not quite...
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bborchar
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Jan 31 2013, 8:53pm
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Considering that most of the lines you cite
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Arandiel
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Jan 31 2013, 8:11pm
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I agree with the speech patterns...
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bborchar
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Jan 31 2013, 8:19pm
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In all of your examples
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Lindele
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Jan 31 2013, 8:16pm
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similar lines.
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andwise
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Jan 31 2013, 8:59pm
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What about . . .
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Lily Fairbairn
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Jan 31 2013, 10:04pm
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not really...
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nenyacaster
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Jan 31 2013, 9:54pm
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And
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IdrilofGondolin
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Jan 31 2013, 10:50pm
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I noticed most of these
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Kristin Thompson
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Jan 31 2013, 11:25pm
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The Gollum one is obviously deliberate, though others could be coincidential
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sycorax82
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Feb 1 2013, 1:21am
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Re
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Retro315
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Feb 1 2013, 4:57am
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Also, "It cannot be", said by Aragorn and Thorin
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Earl
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Feb 1 2013, 7:09am
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Says basically the same thing to Pippin and Thorin
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imin
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Feb 1 2013, 1:17pm
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Gandalf example
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arithmancer
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Feb 1 2013, 1:55pm
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Oh yh i understand
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imin
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Feb 1 2013, 2:00pm
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I've written
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Rostron2
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Feb 1 2013, 6:22pm
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I spotted a couple at the weekend..
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Elvanui
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Feb 4 2013, 3:21pm
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