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I think that them being Thorin's heirs and nephwes. . . and later dying in defense of him

AinurOlorin
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Jan 28 2013, 8:21pm


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is a very big deal, and one any casual viewer could relate to. It should have been made clear, and it didn't require exposition. Just them calling him Uncle in one or two scenes instead of Thorin. It was managed very effectively with the brotherhood of Balin and Dwalin.

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Tolkienites already know that they are brothers. Non book readers eyes glaze over at this kind of extra explanation, although a chief complaint was that I keep reading over and over was that 'the dwarves weren't interesting or differentiated enough.' However, I don't think family tree discussions would make much difference to those folks.

Rhyming names clues you that they are related. There's enough Thorin son of Thrain son of Thror to give you a clue that character with similar names might be at least distantly related.

The Fili/Kili/Thorin thing can be explained in a later film.

It's another book versus movie detail that often gets shorted when the footage is added up. There may well have been a couple of mentions, but how many lines are we talking about, four or five to cover the various brother groupings? I suppose it could have been done.

Is it essential? Maybe. It depends on whether you want people to care more about a specific character, and I think Fili/Kili will be explained a little more later.


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Subject User Time
Dwarven family connections Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Jan 27 2013, 5:22pm
    I think there should have been more clarification florian Send a private message to florian Jan 27 2013, 5:45pm
        It's not like the book makes all that very clear, either. Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 27 2013, 5:56pm
            Hope These Relationships are Clarified IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Jan 27 2013, 7:39pm
                Tolkien... florian Send a private message to florian Jan 27 2013, 7:45pm
        Oin, Gloin, Balin, Dwalin... Angharad73 Send a private message to Angharad73 Jan 27 2013, 8:35pm
            How to Number Cousins IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Jan 27 2013, 9:22pm
                What does it mean? florian Send a private message to florian Jan 27 2013, 9:46pm
                    "Removed" refers to previous or later generations than yours. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 27 2013, 10:46pm
                        And it is reciprocal arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jan 28 2013, 3:34am
                    It's a description of Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 28 2013, 8:50am
        Agreed. They could and should have cued in the Fili and Kili kinship to Thorin, just as they did Balin's brotherhood AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 27 2013, 11:10pm
    Very true Yva Send a private message to Yva Jan 27 2013, 9:55pm
        Well ryouko Send a private message to ryouko Jan 28 2013, 1:23am
            Seems like a poor choice to me. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 28 2013, 3:03am
                In a faithful adaptation... N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 28 2013, 5:07am
                    That would be incredibly boring to watch... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 28 2013, 7:33pm
    I think they could have focussed on this a bit more. TheSexyBeard Send a private message to TheSexyBeard Jan 27 2013, 10:37pm
    Do you really need the exposition? Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 28 2013, 3:38pm
        I think that them being Thorin's heirs and nephwes. . . and later dying in defense of him AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 28 2013, 8:21pm
            Oh agreed Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 28 2013, 9:54pm
                The relationship between Thorin and Kili Yva Send a private message to Yva Jan 28 2013, 10:47pm

 
 
 

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