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AinurOlorin
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Jan 28 2013, 8:21pm
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I think that them being Thorin's heirs and nephwes. . . and later dying in defense of him
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is a very big deal, and one any casual viewer could relate to. It should have been made clear, and it didn't require exposition. Just them calling him Uncle in one or two scenes instead of Thorin. It was managed very effectively with the brotherhood of Balin and Dwalin. Tolkienites already know that they are brothers. Non book readers eyes glaze over at this kind of extra explanation, although a chief complaint was that I keep reading over and over was that 'the dwarves weren't interesting or differentiated enough.' However, I don't think family tree discussions would make much difference to those folks. Rhyming names clues you that they are related. There's enough Thorin son of Thrain son of Thror to give you a clue that character with similar names might be at least distantly related. The Fili/Kili/Thorin thing can be explained in a later film. It's another book versus movie detail that often gets shorted when the footage is added up. There may well have been a couple of mentions, but how many lines are we talking about, four or five to cover the various brother groupings? I suppose it could have been done. Is it essential? Maybe. It depends on whether you want people to care more about a specific character, and I think Fili/Kili will be explained a little more later. "Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!" "Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Dwarven family connections
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 27 2013, 5:22pm
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I think there should have been more clarification
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florian
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Jan 27 2013, 5:45pm
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It's not like the book makes all that very clear, either.
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Lightice
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Jan 27 2013, 5:56pm
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Hope These Relationships are Clarified
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IdrilofGondolin
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Jan 27 2013, 7:39pm
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Tolkien...
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florian
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Jan 27 2013, 7:45pm
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Oin, Gloin, Balin, Dwalin...
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Angharad73
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Jan 27 2013, 8:35pm
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How to Number Cousins
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IdrilofGondolin
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Jan 27 2013, 9:22pm
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What does it mean?
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florian
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Jan 27 2013, 9:46pm
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"Removed" refers to previous or later generations than yours.
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N.E. Brigand
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Jan 27 2013, 10:46pm
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And it is reciprocal
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arithmancer
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Jan 28 2013, 3:34am
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It's a description of
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Roheryn
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Jan 28 2013, 8:50am
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Agreed. They could and should have cued in the Fili and Kili kinship to Thorin, just as they did Balin's brotherhood
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 27 2013, 11:10pm
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Very true
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Yva
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Jan 27 2013, 9:55pm
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Well
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ryouko
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Jan 28 2013, 1:23am
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Seems like a poor choice to me.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 28 2013, 3:03am
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In a faithful adaptation...
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N.E. Brigand
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Jan 28 2013, 5:07am
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That would be incredibly boring to watch...
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bborchar
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Jan 28 2013, 7:33pm
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I think they could have focussed on this a bit more.
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TheSexyBeard
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Jan 27 2013, 10:37pm
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Do you really need the exposition?
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Rostron2
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Jan 28 2013, 3:38pm
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I think that them being Thorin's heirs and nephwes. . . and later dying in defense of him
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 28 2013, 8:21pm
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Oh agreed
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Rostron2
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Jan 28 2013, 9:54pm
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The relationship between Thorin and Kili
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Yva
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Jan 28 2013, 10:47pm
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