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telain
Lorien
Jan 28, 5:57pm
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"creativity gone amiss" and sadly...
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... I am relieved that someone else sees the "interesting" ways in which Tolkien (mis)uses commas! And semicolons... and.. nevermind!
Yep, Saruman is the poster child for this, isn't he? Melkor isn't because he was sort of evil-from-the-start (at least from the time when Varda dismissed him). Aulë repented immediately and vehemently, therefore doesn't succumb to the evilness and doesn't get his picture on the poster, either.
So, evil coming from good intentions -- which seems to be the way in which The Ring works -- is the perhaps the larger point. This brings me to...
CuriousG's point -- did we miss a bigger question: "How is it that Aulë makes his own creatures and Melkor does not?"? Is Melkor so beyond the goodness of the rest of the Ainur/Valar that Eru does not see what he is doing (and therefore we can't know what he has tried to make, either successfully or unsuccessfully?) Is he unable to make things because he is no longer of the "good root"? Or are the counterfeit, perverted things his creation in some way we are not recognizing? Trolls, orcs, dragons? What about the fell beasts?
Or, have we already said all this, but just in some really convoluted way? (I feel like the answer is 'yes', but then I can't seem to stop asking questions...)
Actually, one more question and then I will double-click on "Post Reply": is this piece of the discussion re-asking the question of morality and the Valar -- is Melkor evil because he wants to create something, because he wants to destroy something, or because he wants to create something so disharmonious with Eru's Grand Plan?
Ok, then!
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The Silmarillion discussion: Of Aulë and Yavanna
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telain
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Jan 20, 6:00pm
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I do like the last lines of this chapter ;-)
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FlyingSerkis
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Jan 20, 9:36pm
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Aluë and Yavanna
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masinger
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Jan 20, 10:46pm
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now that you mention it...
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telain
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Jan 21, 1:48pm
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what are Valar "children" anyway?
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telain
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Jan 21, 1:33pm
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Dharma and Greg
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PhantomS
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Jan 21, 2:52pm
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of ethical creation
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telain
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Jan 22, 8:25pm
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Counterfeit creatures
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 2:45pm
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I suspect counterfeit Dwarves are hobbits--beware!/
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 3:38am
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Of Valar and Marriage Counseling
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CuriousG
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Jan 21, 7:30pm
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that last line...
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telain
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Jan 23, 8:30pm
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I'm going to jump on that comparison!
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FlyingSerkis
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Jan 23, 9:25pm
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Great insights from both of you.//
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CuriousG
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Jan 23, 9:36pm
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thanks!
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telain
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Jan 24, 6:39pm
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Noble goals, dropping it stylistically, selfishness and retrofitted Ents
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noWizardme
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Jan 24, 10:16pm
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Whateth dost thou speaketh of?
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telain
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Jan 24, 10:59pm
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Okay, back to Dwarves, or Telain complaineth to Eru
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CuriousG
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Jan 25, 12:08am
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absolutely no complaints here!
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telain
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Jan 27, 12:45am
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Begging dwarves beggar belief?
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 12:38pm
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An Ent and a Dwarf walk into a bar (it has to be tried :) )
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 1:30pm
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I like the 2nd one best./
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 3:37am
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Some passages are to be found in the original Silmarillion, and others ent, as you might say
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squire
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Jan 25, 12:58pm
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The problem with Ents
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CuriousG
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Jan 24, 6:01pm
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good points!
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telain
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Jan 24, 6:44pm
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Yavanna is to Galadriel as who is to whom?
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CuriousG
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Jan 24, 6:57pm
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very interesting questions!
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elostirion74
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Jan 22, 9:32pm
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Maiar of Aulë and Yavanna
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 25, 12:54am
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Superb connection!//
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CuriousG
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Jan 25, 1:34am
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Then again, Yavanna...
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 25, 1:46am
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superb connection seconded!
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telain
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Jan 27, 12:56am
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Fall, Mortalty and the Machine
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 12:24pm
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Creativity gone amiss
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 4:24am
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Saruman!
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noWizardme
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Jan 28, 5:26pm
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Don't stop there with the editing
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 5:49pm
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"creativity gone amiss" and sadly...
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telain
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Jan 28, 5:57pm
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and on to the next chapter...
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noWizardme
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Feb 3, 5:08pm
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Insights from "Arda Reconstructed"
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 3:50am
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Interesting!
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telain
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Jan 28, 5:38pm
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A long post went down the cyber-drain!
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sador
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Feb 7, 2:51pm
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The writing is still very much JRRT's
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Feb 7, 3:55pm
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