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noWizardme
Lorien
Jan 28, 5:26pm
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Saruman is the figure I mostly recalled when reading that "frightful evil" quote (here it is again - I've succumbed to fixing the annoying comma splice!):
...frightful evil can and does arise from an apparently good root; the desire to benefit the world and others - speedily and according to the benefactor's own plans - is a recurrent motive."
[the original has "...root, the desire..." but I think the comma really should have been edited to be a semicolon.
So obviously it would be to everyone's benefit if I speedily fixed it the way I think it should be.
My semicolon. Mine! Bwahahahah!!
Oh.
 ] I think that at some point before we see him Saruman began to tinker with evil things as "regrettable necessities". "Well, that is how the game is played," he probably thought. Obviously it will be better for all if he gets the Ring, not the Elves, or the other wizards. And thoughts about omelettes and eggs. By the time he captures Gandalf and gives that speech about how the Wizards need to rule and moderate Sauron's excesses, its no longer clear whether he truly believes that's all for the best, or is fooling himself, or is only trying to fool others. By the time of his death, he's reduced to dog-in-the-manger if yo spoil my plans I'm going to spoil your homeland. I'm hoping this time will be my first complete Silmarillion read-though (it defeated me in my teens) so I'll read on with interested, looking for this theme to come out in the silmarils.
Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more.... Feel free to meddle in the affairs of noWizardMe by agreeing or disagreeing (politely...) with my posts! I may not be subtle, but at least I'm usually slow to anger...
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The Silmarillion discussion: Of Aulë and Yavanna
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telain
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Jan 20, 6:00pm
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I do like the last lines of this chapter ;-)
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FlyingSerkis
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Jan 20, 9:36pm
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Aluë and Yavanna
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masinger
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Jan 20, 10:46pm
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now that you mention it...
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telain
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Jan 21, 1:48pm
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what are Valar "children" anyway?
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telain
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Jan 21, 1:33pm
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Dharma and Greg
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PhantomS
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Jan 21, 2:52pm
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of ethical creation
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telain
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Jan 22, 8:25pm
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Counterfeit creatures
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 2:45pm
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I suspect counterfeit Dwarves are hobbits--beware!/
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 3:38am
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Of Valar and Marriage Counseling
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CuriousG
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Jan 21, 7:30pm
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that last line...
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telain
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Jan 23, 8:30pm
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I'm going to jump on that comparison!
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FlyingSerkis
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Jan 23, 9:25pm
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Great insights from both of you.//
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CuriousG
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Jan 23, 9:36pm
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thanks!
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telain
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Jan 24, 6:39pm
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Noble goals, dropping it stylistically, selfishness and retrofitted Ents
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noWizardme
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Jan 24, 10:16pm
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Whateth dost thou speaketh of?
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telain
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Jan 24, 10:59pm
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Okay, back to Dwarves, or Telain complaineth to Eru
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CuriousG
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Jan 25, 12:08am
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absolutely no complaints here!
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telain
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Jan 27, 12:45am
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Begging dwarves beggar belief?
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 12:38pm
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An Ent and a Dwarf walk into a bar (it has to be tried :) )
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 1:30pm
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I like the 2nd one best./
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 3:37am
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Some passages are to be found in the original Silmarillion, and others ent, as you might say
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squire
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Jan 25, 12:58pm
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The problem with Ents
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CuriousG
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Jan 24, 6:01pm
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good points!
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telain
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Jan 24, 6:44pm
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Yavanna is to Galadriel as who is to whom?
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CuriousG
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Jan 24, 6:57pm
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very interesting questions!
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elostirion74
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Jan 22, 9:32pm
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Maiar of Aulë and Yavanna
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 25, 12:54am
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Superb connection!//
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CuriousG
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Jan 25, 1:34am
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Then again, Yavanna...
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 25, 1:46am
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superb connection seconded!
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telain
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Jan 27, 12:56am
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Fall, Mortalty and the Machine
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 12:24pm
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Creativity gone amiss
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 4:24am
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Saruman!
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noWizardme
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Jan 28, 5:26pm
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Don't stop there with the editing
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 5:49pm
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"creativity gone amiss" and sadly...
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telain
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Jan 28, 5:57pm
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and on to the next chapter...
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noWizardme
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Feb 3, 5:08pm
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Insights from "Arda Reconstructed"
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 3:50am
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Interesting!
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telain
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Jan 28, 5:38pm
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A long post went down the cyber-drain!
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sador
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Feb 7, 2:51pm
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The writing is still very much JRRT's
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Feb 7, 3:55pm
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