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CuriousG
Gondor
Jan 28, 4:24am
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Well, you make me wonder if we've all missed something really big in this chapter. Why is Aule able to make Dwarves, even if they have no free will, and Melkor is not? Or to ask it another way, does Melkor have creations like the Dwarves? Aule "began to instruct the Dwarves in the speech that he had devised for them," so apparently they could talk. Iluvatar tells him they would move when he thinks to move them and be idle when his thought is elsewhere. Wouldn't Melkor have the same results?
Otherwise, one thing I'd say about repenting is that Aule does it immediately and without encouragement. He was keeping his creation secret from the blame of other Valar, so he knew it wasn't quite right, but he was willing to sacrifice the Dwarves to his father/god to make amends, though Eru stopped the killing at the last instant with a blessing. This reminds me of the story of Abraham, who is told that to prove his love to God, he has to sacrifice his son, and he obeys, but God says at the last minute to stop, so Abraham has proven his obedience to God and gets to keep his son, so everyone is happy, except the ram that gets sacrificed instead. (The Hebrew Bible says the son was Isaac; the Koran says Ishmael; both have a sheep getting killed in place of the son.) Not that Abraham was creating anything, but the parallels of obedience, father/son, and last-minute life-saving are there.
Thinking about frightful evil coming from a good root has Silmarils written all over it--that was an act of creation gone wrong.
I keep laughing out loud when I read this!
Perhaps it's a good thing that only 3 of the Valar know about this, or we'd end up with a veritable Narnia of talking creatures.
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The Silmarillion discussion: Of Aulë and Yavanna
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telain
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Jan 20, 6:00pm
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I do like the last lines of this chapter ;-)
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FlyingSerkis
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Jan 20, 9:36pm
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Aluë and Yavanna
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masinger
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Jan 20, 10:46pm
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now that you mention it...
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telain
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Jan 21, 1:48pm
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what are Valar "children" anyway?
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telain
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Jan 21, 1:33pm
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Dharma and Greg
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PhantomS
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Jan 21, 2:52pm
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of ethical creation
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telain
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Jan 22, 8:25pm
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Counterfeit creatures
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 2:45pm
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I suspect counterfeit Dwarves are hobbits--beware!/
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 3:38am
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Of Valar and Marriage Counseling
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CuriousG
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Jan 21, 7:30pm
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that last line...
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telain
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Jan 23, 8:30pm
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I'm going to jump on that comparison!
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FlyingSerkis
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Jan 23, 9:25pm
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Great insights from both of you.//
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CuriousG
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Jan 23, 9:36pm
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thanks!
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telain
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Jan 24, 6:39pm
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Noble goals, dropping it stylistically, selfishness and retrofitted Ents
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noWizardme
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Jan 24, 10:16pm
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Whateth dost thou speaketh of?
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telain
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Jan 24, 10:59pm
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Okay, back to Dwarves, or Telain complaineth to Eru
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CuriousG
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Jan 25, 12:08am
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absolutely no complaints here!
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telain
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Jan 27, 12:45am
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Begging dwarves beggar belief?
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 12:38pm
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An Ent and a Dwarf walk into a bar (it has to be tried :) )
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 1:30pm
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I like the 2nd one best./
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 3:37am
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Some passages are to be found in the original Silmarillion, and others ent, as you might say
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squire
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Jan 25, 12:58pm
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The problem with Ents
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CuriousG
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Jan 24, 6:01pm
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good points!
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telain
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Jan 24, 6:44pm
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Yavanna is to Galadriel as who is to whom?
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CuriousG
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Jan 24, 6:57pm
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very interesting questions!
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elostirion74
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Jan 22, 9:32pm
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Maiar of Aulë and Yavanna
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 25, 12:54am
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Superb connection!//
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CuriousG
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Jan 25, 1:34am
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Then again, Yavanna...
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 25, 1:46am
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superb connection seconded!
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telain
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Jan 27, 12:56am
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Fall, Mortalty and the Machine
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 12:24pm
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Creativity gone amiss
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 4:24am
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Saruman!
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noWizardme
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Jan 28, 5:26pm
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Don't stop there with the editing
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 5:49pm
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"creativity gone amiss" and sadly...
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telain
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Jan 28, 5:57pm
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and on to the next chapter...
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noWizardme
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Feb 3, 5:08pm
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Insights from "Arda Reconstructed"
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 3:50am
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Interesting!
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telain
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Jan 28, 5:38pm
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A long post went down the cyber-drain!
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sador
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Feb 7, 2:51pm
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The writing is still very much JRRT's
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Feb 7, 3:55pm
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