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Arannir
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Jan 26 2013, 2:29pm


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I do not really say that happening or how it is emotionally engaging to see Gandalf escape and have a Sauron reveal - as both Gandalf's survival and Sauron's identity is pretty obvious even for the casual moviegoer.



I do agree that the handeling of Smaug is not easy either way, and afterwards there will be critics no matter how you do it.

For me the best possible climax for DoS is an intercut of the DG battle and the Bilbo/Smaug conversation - the movie ending with Gandalf leaving for the North (since Azog seems to be closely connected to the Necromancer there might be some hint that Sauron is retreating but making sure Erebor will be attacked) and Bilbo sending off the thrush to warn Laketown.

Then start TABA with a flashback (maybe Girion's fall) and then the destruction of Laketown and the fall of Smaug.

Although Sauron is the bigger Evil in the story, the most iconic enemy will remain Smaug for this trilogy. Therefore, I think, the story can handle the "falling out" of the enemy Sauron by the end of DoS better than the falling out of Smaug.

I see the issue with having two big climaxes in TABA - but those two work far better for me than DG and Bot5A would together. Especially since it is the Dragon's death that sets the conflict between the Free Peoples in motion (and I want a lot of time left for that, as it is so interesting and for non-fans unexpected that they would actually start a war among each other - almost).

And as said before, since Azog/Bolg seem to get a strong Mordor/Sauron connection, Sauron could still play a role in TABA.


Btw: I do believe the WC line can be emotionally engaging, as Gandalf will play the biggest part in it, possibly also Radagast and even Beorn. I don't see why they would be less engaging as Theoden and Co were in TTT.


(This post was edited by Arannir on Jan 26 2013, 2:33pm)

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A point about the White Council attacking Dol Guldur kbdiggity Send a private message to kbdiggity Jan 25 2013, 8:02pm
    Knowing PJ, I imagine the timing of the assualt on Dol Guldur will not at all be influenced by the book's timeline. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 25 2013, 8:06pm
    Considering that even the time when the Necromancer established himself in Mirkwood is changed... Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 25 2013, 8:25pm
    It's going to be a balancing act of action and exposition Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 25 2013, 8:29pm
    Silvester McCoy confirmed that Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Jan 26 2013, 9:12am
        And PJ himself... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 26 2013, 9:16am
        But which "attack"? Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 26 2013, 10:59am
            Christopher Lee said in his Christmas messge last year emre43 Send a private message to emre43 Jan 26 2013, 11:12am
                Source, please. Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 26 2013, 11:56am
                    Some hints from P.Jackson and C.Lee Vangalad Send a private message to Vangalad Jan 26 2013, 12:21pm
                        Pretty ambivalent, I think. Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 26 2013, 1:10pm
                            Me too Vangalad Send a private message to Vangalad Jan 26 2013, 1:23pm
                            I am inclined to agree. There is a LOT to cover as it is. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 26 2013, 7:59pm
                    Comparing to TTT Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 26 2013, 1:24pm
                        Many reasons. Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 26 2013, 2:15pm
                            Hmmm... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 26 2013, 2:29pm
                            PJ has also confirmed that Smaug will be in both Films 2 and 3 // Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Jan 26 2013, 4:16pm
                                Source. Now Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 26 2013, 4:51pm
                                    Source? Same as McCoy's ... Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Jan 26 2013, 5:57pm
                                        I did, in December. Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 26 2013, 6:02pm
                                            Okay ... Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Jan 26 2013, 6:14pm
                                                First doesn't really say anything on the subject, and as for the second... Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 26 2013, 6:26pm
                                                    Quote Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Jan 26 2013, 6:28pm
                                                        I can see the possibility of starting with a flashback... Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 26 2013, 7:34pm
                                                            I think *spoilers* Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Jan 26 2013, 7:50pm
                                                                You are missing the point of The Hobbit, I think Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 26 2013, 8:24pm
                                                                    How to spread Smaug across two films.... arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jan 27 2013, 4:58am
                                                                        Basically, you are giving the exact reasons why I find the Smaug-prologue a terrible idea. Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 27 2013, 12:21pm
                                                                            DoS arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jan 27 2013, 3:31pm
                                                                                Adding more problems does not make good solutions. Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 27 2013, 4:39pm
                                                                    I am inclined to agree on the overwhelming majority of this. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 27 2013, 8:43am
                                    Well, I guess from now on we... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 26 2013, 9:13pm
                                I like the idea Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 26 2013, 4:58pm
                        This all day: Boromir Stark Send a private message to Boromir Stark Jan 26 2013, 10:52pm
                    Sure emre43 Send a private message to emre43 Jan 26 2013, 2:02pm
    I'm really glad that they are doing this whole White Council sub-plot emre43 Send a private message to emre43 Jan 26 2013, 6:22pm
        I agree Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Jan 26 2013, 6:23pm
            Yeah definitely emre43 Send a private message to emre43 Jan 26 2013, 10:04pm
                Agreed, though there was a cameo Glorfindel in LOTRs AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 27 2013, 10:50pm
        Huge agreement on the dissapointment. Especially about Glorfindel and Cirdan. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 27 2013, 10:43pm
    Gandalf in DOS The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jan 26 2013, 7:14pm

 
 
 

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