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squire
Valinor
Jan 25, 12:58pm
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Some passages are to be found in the original Silmarillion, and others ent, as you might say
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You're right that the Ents were "retrofitted" into the Silmarillion tradition - after the writing of The Lord of the Rings. All of it, from the passage we are discussing to their intervention in the wars with Morgoth's folk, was made up and added sometime in the late 40s or even 50s to stories that were more or less complete by the end of the 1930s.
Same goes for Galadriel, for the same reason.
Look in the indexes of the History of Middle-earth volumes 4 and 5, which present the textual development of the Silmarillion right up to the point where The Hobbit was launched and Tolkien began its famous 'sequel'. One finds there absolutely no mention of the Ents whatever - and only a few references to Galadriel. She actually appears in the notes a couple of times, where Christopher Tolkien takes the time to point out that she is missing from the main text in places where she later was inserted.
As annoying as it is, I have always found it hard to do more than casual textual analysis of The Silmarillion (1977) - in the sense of, what does this mean or why does he write this like that? - without a working knowledge of HoME. I found this out when I conducted my first Sil discussion on TORn. It's annoying, because it makes a lot of work for everyone and alienates a lot of Tolkien readers who wish the Sil was just a good ripping yarn to read after finishing LotR.
squire online:
RR Discussions: The Valaquenta, A Shortcut to Mushrooms, and Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit
Lights! Action! Discuss on the Movie board!: 'A Journey in the Dark'. and 'Designing The Two Towers'.
Footeramas: The 3rd (and NOW the 4th too!) TORn Reading Room LotR Discussion; and "Tolkien would have LOVED it!"
squiretalk introduces the J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia: A Reader's Diary
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The Silmarillion discussion: Of Aulë and Yavanna
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telain
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Jan 20, 6:00pm
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I do like the last lines of this chapter ;-)
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FlyingSerkis
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Jan 20, 9:36pm
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Aluë and Yavanna
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masinger
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Jan 20, 10:46pm
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now that you mention it...
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telain
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Jan 21, 1:48pm
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what are Valar "children" anyway?
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telain
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Jan 21, 1:33pm
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Dharma and Greg
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PhantomS
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Jan 21, 2:52pm
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of ethical creation
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telain
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Jan 22, 8:25pm
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Counterfeit creatures
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 2:45pm
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I suspect counterfeit Dwarves are hobbits--beware!/
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 3:38am
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Of Valar and Marriage Counseling
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CuriousG
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Jan 21, 7:30pm
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that last line...
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telain
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Jan 23, 8:30pm
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I'm going to jump on that comparison!
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FlyingSerkis
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Jan 23, 9:25pm
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Great insights from both of you.//
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CuriousG
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Jan 23, 9:36pm
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thanks!
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telain
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Jan 24, 6:39pm
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Noble goals, dropping it stylistically, selfishness and retrofitted Ents
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noWizardme
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Jan 24, 10:16pm
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Whateth dost thou speaketh of?
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telain
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Jan 24, 10:59pm
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Okay, back to Dwarves, or Telain complaineth to Eru
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CuriousG
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Jan 25, 12:08am
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absolutely no complaints here!
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telain
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Jan 27, 12:45am
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Begging dwarves beggar belief?
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 12:38pm
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An Ent and a Dwarf walk into a bar (it has to be tried :) )
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 1:30pm
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I like the 2nd one best./
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 3:37am
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Some passages are to be found in the original Silmarillion, and others ent, as you might say
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squire
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Jan 25, 12:58pm
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The problem with Ents
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CuriousG
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Jan 24, 6:01pm
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good points!
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telain
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Jan 24, 6:44pm
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Yavanna is to Galadriel as who is to whom?
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CuriousG
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Jan 24, 6:57pm
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very interesting questions!
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elostirion74
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Jan 22, 9:32pm
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Maiar of Aulë and Yavanna
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 25, 12:54am
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Superb connection!//
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CuriousG
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Jan 25, 1:34am
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Then again, Yavanna...
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 25, 1:46am
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superb connection seconded!
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telain
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Jan 27, 12:56am
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Fall, Mortalty and the Machine
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noWizardme
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Jan 27, 12:24pm
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Creativity gone amiss
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 4:24am
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Saruman!
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noWizardme
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Jan 28, 5:26pm
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Don't stop there with the editing
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 5:49pm
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"creativity gone amiss" and sadly...
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telain
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Jan 28, 5:57pm
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and on to the next chapter...
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noWizardme
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Feb 3, 5:08pm
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Insights from "Arda Reconstructed"
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CuriousG
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Jan 28, 3:50am
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Interesting!
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telain
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Jan 28, 5:38pm
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A long post went down the cyber-drain!
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sador
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Feb 7, 2:51pm
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The writing is still very much JRRT's
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Feb 7, 3:55pm
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