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Lost_istari
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Jan 24 2013, 6:46am
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A quick thought on children of Ainur
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A bit off of of the Bombadil topic, but this got me thinking... We know that Tolkien originally wanted to make the Valar capable of having children within their respective partnerships (the children would have been the Maiar) but decided against it. Essentially only Iluvatar ond the Children of Iluvatar had access to "The Secret Fire" (or the power of the creation of life). This is why Melkor was never able to create life but only to corrupt life forms created by Iluvatar. This also prevented any other of the Ainur from creating life without the involvement of Iluvatar or the Children of Iluvatar (Iluvatar gave life to Aule's dwarves, and Melian had a child because her partner was a child of Iluvatar).
Bringing this back to topic, it is possible that "The River Woman" was really just a human woman, and her father was one of the Maiar(maybe one with an association with water, in keeping with the theory), thus giving her the long life that I assume she had (I can't remember if the book mentions her age) and the spirit-like qualities that she had. Or perhaps the othe way around with the mother being a water associated Maiar and the father being either a man or elf (or maybe even a hobbit given the proximity and depending on the timeline ).
Anyway, just food for thought since CuriousG's obvservations got me thinking. I like to think Tolkien knew exactly whay he was doing, and even if he started out adding Bombadil and Goldberry in simply because he liked their characters, he would have some backstory to fit them in at some point. I would certainly put Vader in my Smurf world too, but I would probably invent some sort of black hole that plucked him from wherever he was and deposited him in the Smurf world. Maybe I'm too much of a stickler for continuity and clear origins though.
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Tom Bombadil As the Spirit of the Music of the Ainur
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rangerfromthenorth
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Jan 17 2013, 4:27pm
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Thanks for this!
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Jan 17 2013, 8:57pm
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Great Theory
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Lost_istari
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Jan 18 2013, 7:56pm
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Thank you much
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rangerfromthenorth
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Jan 22 2013, 2:07pm
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Agreed
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CuriousG
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Jan 23 2013, 5:53pm
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A quick thought on children of Ainur
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Lost_istari
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Jan 24 2013, 6:46am
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Excellent theory!
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FlyingSerkis
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Jan 23 2013, 9:13pm
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Thank You
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rangerfromthenorth
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Jan 23 2013, 9:33pm
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Regarding Bombadil's boundedness
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Plurmo
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Jan 28 2013, 5:59am
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I Know
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Tolkien Forever
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Jan 30 2013, 8:38pm
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"None has yet defined him, for Tom is an enigma"
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squire
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Jan 31 2013, 1:27am
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Great poem/
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CuriousG
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Jan 31 2013, 1:34am
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Great Poem Indeed
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rangerfromthenorth
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Jan 31 2013, 2:29am
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It is certainly a great topic to debate
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squire
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Feb 1 2013, 3:14am
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a "most" dangerous discussion
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rangerfromthenorth
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Feb 1 2013, 3:32pm
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ATB was published after LOTR.
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N.E. Brigand
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Feb 1 2013, 5:55pm
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yes yes it was
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rangerfromthenorth
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Feb 1 2013, 6:14pm
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thats where the confusion came from
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rangerfromthenorth
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Feb 1 2013, 6:22pm
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Tolkien did alter the poem for its 1962 re-publication.
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N.E. Brigand
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Feb 1 2013, 7:51pm
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Very nicely stated
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squire
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Feb 1 2013, 8:38pm
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This may interest you.
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N.E. Brigand
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Feb 1 2013, 5:46am
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