|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
telain
Rohan
Jan 21 2013, 1:48pm
Views: 3412
Shortcut
|
... I do remember reading at one time something about the Dwarves having no spirit/soul, though, as you have pointed out, that is clearly not the case as far as this chapter goes -- and I would argue for the more "fleshed-out" Dwarven characters in TH and LoTR. I can't imagine those characters could have been written the way they were if they truly had no spark of the Secret Fire. Especially since they react so passionately to some things... (would Thorin really have gone through all that trouble if he had no spirit/soul?) I think it makes sense to read it as you have stated: Rúmil had little knowledge and Pengolod had a rather negative outlook. Also, it is worth noting here that the Dwarves were intensely secret about their language -- apparently it was exceedingly "complicated and cacophonous" so much so that the Elves did not bother trying to learn it (H. Carpenter, Letter 25). So, not only is it reasonable to assume that if the Dwarves kept their language (even their true names) secret from non-Dwarves, then they might keep their true natures secret as well. Additionally, as you suggest, it might not have occurred to the Elves in question to take the time and energy to find out.
|
|
|
Subject
|
User
|
Time
|
The Silmarillion discussion: Of Aulë and Yavanna
|
telain
|
Jan 20 2013, 6:00pm
|
I do like the last lines of this chapter ;-)
|
FlyingSerkis
|
Jan 20 2013, 9:36pm
|
Aluë and Yavanna
|
masinger
|
Jan 20 2013, 10:46pm
|
now that you mention it...
|
telain
|
Jan 21 2013, 1:48pm
|
what are Valar "children" anyway?
|
telain
|
Jan 21 2013, 1:33pm
|
Dharma and Greg
|
PhantomS
|
Jan 21 2013, 2:52pm
|
of ethical creation
|
telain
|
Jan 22 2013, 8:25pm
|
Counterfeit creatures
|
noWizardme
|
Jan 27 2013, 2:45pm
|
I suspect counterfeit Dwarves are hobbits--beware!/
|
CuriousG
|
Jan 28 2013, 3:38am
|
Of Valar and Marriage Counseling
|
CuriousG
|
Jan 21 2013, 7:30pm
|
that last line...
|
telain
|
Jan 23 2013, 8:30pm
|
I'm going to jump on that comparison!
|
FlyingSerkis
|
Jan 23 2013, 9:25pm
|
Great insights from both of you.//
|
CuriousG
|
Jan 23 2013, 9:36pm
|
thanks!
|
telain
|
Jan 24 2013, 6:39pm
|
Noble goals, dropping it stylistically, selfishness and retrofitted Ents
|
noWizardme
|
Jan 24 2013, 10:16pm
|
Whateth dost thou speaketh of?
|
telain
|
Jan 24 2013, 10:59pm
|
Okay, back to Dwarves, or Telain complaineth to Eru
|
CuriousG
|
Jan 25 2013, 12:08am
|
absolutely no complaints here!
|
telain
|
Jan 27 2013, 12:45am
|
Begging dwarves beggar belief?
|
noWizardme
|
Jan 27 2013, 12:38pm
|
An Ent and a Dwarf walk into a bar (it has to be tried :) )
|
noWizardme
|
Jan 27 2013, 1:30pm
|
I like the 2nd one best./
|
CuriousG
|
Jan 28 2013, 3:37am
|
Some passages are to be found in the original Silmarillion, and others ent, as you might say
|
squire
|
Jan 25 2013, 12:58pm
|
The problem with Ents
|
CuriousG
|
Jan 24 2013, 6:01pm
|
good points!
|
telain
|
Jan 24 2013, 6:44pm
|
Yavanna is to Galadriel as who is to whom?
|
CuriousG
|
Jan 24 2013, 6:57pm
|
very interesting questions!
|
elostirion74
|
Jan 22 2013, 9:32pm
|
Maiar of Aulë and Yavanna
|
Aragalen the Green
|
Jan 25 2013, 12:54am
|
Superb connection!//
|
CuriousG
|
Jan 25 2013, 1:34am
|
Then again, Yavanna...
|
Aragalen the Green
|
Jan 25 2013, 1:46am
|
superb connection seconded!
|
telain
|
Jan 27 2013, 12:56am
|
Fall, Mortalty and the Machine
|
noWizardme
|
Jan 27 2013, 12:24pm
|
Creativity gone amiss
|
CuriousG
|
Jan 28 2013, 4:24am
|
Saruman!
|
noWizardme
|
Jan 28 2013, 5:26pm
|
Don't stop there with the editing
|
CuriousG
|
Jan 28 2013, 5:49pm
|
"creativity gone amiss" and sadly...
|
telain
|
Jan 28 2013, 5:57pm
|
and on to the next chapter...
|
noWizardme
|
Feb 3 2013, 5:08pm
|
Insights from "Arda Reconstructed"
|
CuriousG
|
Jan 28 2013, 3:50am
|
Interesting!
|
telain
|
Jan 28 2013, 5:38pm
|
A long post went down the cyber-drain!
|
sador
|
Feb 7 2013, 2:51pm
|
The writing is still very much JRRT's
|
Voronwë_the_Faithful
|
Feb 7 2013, 3:55pm
|
|
|
|