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There's very little drama in the necromancer story thread

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Jan 19, 7:38pm


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There's very little drama in the necromancer story thread [In reply to] Can't Post
I don't mean simply that people have to die to create drama, but rather that characters have to change, there has to be conflict, character development and a resolution.

In the necromancer storyline they discover that a dark threat is rising (just like LotR), they discuss that the dark threat is rising (just like LotR), they go to meet the dark threat and Sauron leaves to go to Mordor. By the end of it Gandalf, Saruman and Galadriel have exactly the same relationships as where they started. It uses the same themes as LotR but lacks any of the consequences. Similar LotR scenes lead to Sauron sending out the wraiths to find the one ring, the discovery of Saruman's treachery, Gandalf's imprisonment and the decision for the Fellowship to go to Mordor.

I am perfectly well aware that original Hobbit story itself has plenty of character development and drama, though far from enough to fill three epic length films. It's a shame there couldn't have been more focus on capturing the original story.

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The Hobbit will almost certainly hold up as a bona fide chapter in a larger classic film series, despite the mixed and overly cynical reviews. . AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 19, 5:59am
    yepper! swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 19, 6:14am
        Quite true. What I think some forget (and the mixing in of Thror's fate doubtless muddied it further) AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 19, 6:30am
    Nothing to add except SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jan 19, 6:40am
        Yes. Unless they sold them, which seems utterly improbable. New Line was already a division of AOL/Time Warner AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 19, 6:51am
    It will hold up imin Send a private message to imin Jan 19, 7:57am
        fine line indeed. That's what is so hard here, for us as fans to comment on... though we still have a concept of how good it was of course. Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Jan 19, 12:27pm
            A 6-er box will definitely occur Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Jan 19, 1:00pm
        Funny parts of the film ceppault Send a private message to ceppault Jan 19, 3:32pm
        I am fairly confident that had this film managed to get made and released 13 years ago AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 19, 7:15pm
    Trying to make a prequel is the root of the problem burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Jan 19, 11:49am
        Book adaptation versus written for the screen. glor Send a private message to glor Jan 19, 3:39pm
        The threat of death is not neccessary for Drama. I don't need to fear that Margret Thatcher will be eaten by a shark AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 19, 7:21pm
            There's very little drama in the necromancer story thread burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Jan 19, 7:38pm
        Using the length of the book as criticism of the three film format. Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Jan 21, 3:18pm
    It's one of those movies Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 19, 2:45pm
        Exactly my sentiment. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 19, 8:50pm
    Pretty spot on my friend Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jan 19, 3:26pm
        Thank you, Friend AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 19, 9:37pm
            My pleasure Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jan 20, 7:25am
                I am more or less of the same mind. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 20, 5:52pm
                    I beg to disagree Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Jan 20, 6:30pm
                        And yet Thror had gone mad. The movie already tells you as much. He had succumbed to "a sickness" of the mind. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 20, 7:03pm
                    Agreed Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jan 20, 6:37pm
                And some are pretty Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 20, 6:34pm
                    I guess Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jan 20, 6:40pm
                        Lol! Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 20, 6:41pm
                            Captain Salt,does quoting yourself make the point stronger? =) Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Jan 20, 6:54pm
                                Black Breathalizer, and YOUR point is what, exactly? =) // Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 20, 7:26pm
                    But, art being subjective, there are no facts of good versus bad. Only matters of taste. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 20, 7:15pm
                        Everything's subjective, and taste Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Jan 20, 8:02pm
                        Well, shall we count what ways that AUJ failed to impress? Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 20, 8:03pm
                            a rebuttal Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Jan 20, 9:24pm
                                I agree thoroughly about the dwarves, and largely about the humour. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 21, 12:21am
                                Again, this is simply not the case: Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 21, 6:14am
                                    Aaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllll that typing I did to specifically respond to all that your long , 7 AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 21, 6:45am
                            Bilbo fretting over his handkerchief is from the book. entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 20, 9:48pm
                            I put more stock in what was impressive. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 21, 12:03am
                                I won't refute all of your counter-arguments, as clearly we're not going to agree Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 21, 6:57am
                                    Fair enough AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 21, 7:06am
                                        Never mind, I've responsed to your considerable arguments in full (see above): Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 21, 7:35am
                                Well actually, I'll just respond to your previous post in full: Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 21, 7:34am
                                    Thank you for the careful and thoughtful response. There remain matters on which AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 23, 10:58pm
                    There's room for everyone here Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jan 20, 7:59pm
                        I was responding to this comment, actually: Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 20, 8:08pm
                            The same applies to that comment Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jan 20, 8:40pm
                    Your very negative comments regarding fellow posters is uncalled for. Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 21, 4:51am
                        Thanks very much for sharing. Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 21, 6:42am
                            *points to top of the board* Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jan 21, 6:52am
                                I certainly hope he replies AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 21, 6:56am
    Don't agree at all... Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 19, 4:41pm
        Well, we are all entitled to our opinions, and varying tastes. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 19, 9:03pm
        Have the opposite reaction IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Jan 20, 12:34am
        Um, I assume you only speak for yourself Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 20, 2:27am
    I agree peace1993 Send a private message to peace1993 Jan 19, 6:25pm
    The same criticisms were said of FotR... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 19, 6:59pm
        Not really, no. Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 19, 7:09pm
            I explained... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 19, 7:34pm
                And I'm saying Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 19, 7:58pm
                    No, many are not of that opinion... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 19, 8:18pm
                        In fact just the opposite... Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 19, 8:30pm
                            I don't think anyone is saying... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 19, 9:01pm
                            *bangs head on keyboard* Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 19, 9:26pm
                                Nice way of putting it... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 19, 10:51pm
                                You're a breath of fresh air here! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 20, 2:45am
                                    I'm kind of curious if this is age related at all Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jan 20, 3:05am
                                        Could be... Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 20, 4:09am
                                        Flawlessly stated. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 20, 5:02am
                                            My rants Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jan 20, 7:41am
                                                Maybe not an important thought Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jan 21, 10:22pm
                                    More like a breath of rather old air. :-) Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 20, 3:56am
                                Yay Ro! entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 20, 3:25am
                                    No, Starling Send a private message to Starling Jan 20, 3:35am
                                If I dig deep enough, I can find all kinds of fault with LOTR as movies. Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 20, 3:58am
                                *bangs self on keyboard* Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 20, 6:17pm
                    That's not the situation peace1993 Send a private message to peace1993 Jan 20, 4:12am
                        And the echo chamber/group think/fan denial continues... // Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 20, 6:18pm
                            Disagreement with an OPINION is not "denial", "group think", nor "echo chamber"// Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Jan 20, 10:47pm
                                at some point, you have to consider that someone is just yanking people's chains Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jan 21, 1:30am
                                    I have only just returned for a short time, but yes, began to think that yesterday.// Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Jan 21, 2:21am
                                    I don't know. I don't think being indelicate or over genralizing are definite signs of a Troll. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 21, 3:10am
                                        I don't necessarily think people who like to yank chains are trolls Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jan 21, 4:24pm
                                Eh, no but the kneejerk response of: Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 21, 6:20am
        Yes they were.. glor Send a private message to glor Jan 19, 8:20pm
            Thank you... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 19, 8:35pm
                A film should work on its own merrits. Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 19, 8:52pm
            FotR got a good critical response... burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Jan 19, 9:26pm
                Oscars and critics two different ball games glor Send a private message to glor Jan 19, 11:16pm
                    ... burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Jan 19, 11:56pm
                        I think we may agrere to disagree on the post-modern politics of criticism but.. glor Send a private message to glor Jan 20, 12:37am
                Thank you! Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 20, 6:21pm
        Pre-release Fan Expectations for AUJ & FOTR Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Jan 20, 4:41pm
            Thank you :) bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 20, 5:31pm
    Can't speak for everyone Grant Send a private message to Grant Jan 19, 7:04pm
    It will sit fairly well next to LOTR on a shelf, but... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Jan 19, 9:22pm
    The only review I really care about Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jan 20, 5:21am
        45 years is a long time to wait. .and PJ didn't.. Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Jan 20, 7:02am

 
 
 

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