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bborchar
Lorien
Jan 19, 6:59pm
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The same criticisms were said of FotR...
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...but everyone gave it the benefit of the doubt because it was new and completely different. The special effects, the story, the division into three films. The Hobbit doesn't have that luxury. In the 10 years since the last films, so many other copycats have come to Hollywood and now people are overly cynical of multi-film movies (just a cash grab, they say), and special effects are used in almost everything now. But I recall MANY reviews of FotR where the critics complained about pacing, length, lack of characterization, OMG IT DIDN'T END CASH GRAB, etc.
The Hobbit is made the same way, and people just aren't going to be as "forgiving" this time around. That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it...just that people feel more cynical about it. It's not about what you liked...it's about what you can tear apart. And just like FotR, AUJ is trying to build the foundation for the rest of the series, while standing on its own. It's a very difficult task to accomplish, and some will say that it did, while others will feel differently. I personally feel that it did. I also think that the next two movies will be full of the drama that people thought was missing from this installment, and more people will come around. Some people will just continue to be upset about this change or that change, and will never enjoy them. Their prerogative, to be sure, but I prefer to see the movies as a different entity from the books.
Most stories in human history are changed or embellished with each retelling...that doesn't mean the original is the best, nor does it mean that the retelling is the worse for it. Even Tolkien was retelling mythology in a new way...I'm sure some people took issue with the way he characterized certain races, how he used various fantasy elements and retooled them...but he created something new out of something old, and did it for the times he lived in. We, unfortunately, live in a time where people don't read much. That's how it is. But people love movies, and anything that brings the stories that are being lost to the masses in a way that they can understand is a plus in my book. And maybe it will encourage people to take up the books, and form their own opinions.
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The Hobbit will almost certainly hold up as a bona fide chapter in a larger classic film series, despite the mixed and overly cynical reviews. .
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 19, 5:59am
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yepper!
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swordwhale
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Jan 19, 6:14am
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Quite true. What I think some forget (and the mixing in of Thror's fate doubtless muddied it further)
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 19, 6:30am
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Nothing to add except
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SirDennisC
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Jan 19, 6:40am
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Yes. Unless they sold them, which seems utterly improbable. New Line was already a division of AOL/Time Warner
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 19, 6:51am
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It will hold up
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imin
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Jan 19, 7:57am
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fine line indeed. That's what is so hard here, for us as fans to comment on... though we still have a concept of how good it was of course.
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Xanaseb
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Jan 19, 12:27pm
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A 6-er box will definitely occur
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Estel78
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Jan 19, 1:00pm
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Funny parts of the film
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ceppault
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Jan 19, 3:32pm
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I am fairly confident that had this film managed to get made and released 13 years ago
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 19, 7:15pm
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Trying to make a prequel is the root of the problem
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burrahobbit
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Jan 19, 11:49am
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Book adaptation versus written for the screen.
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glor
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Jan 19, 3:39pm
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The threat of death is not neccessary for Drama. I don't need to fear that Margret Thatcher will be eaten by a shark
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 19, 7:21pm
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There's very little drama in the necromancer story thread
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burrahobbit
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Jan 19, 7:38pm
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Using the length of the book as criticism of the three film format.
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 21, 3:18pm
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It's one of those movies
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Súlimë
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Jan 19, 2:45pm
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Exactly my sentiment.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 19, 8:50pm
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Pretty spot on my friend
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Elessar
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Jan 19, 3:26pm
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Thank you, Friend
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 19, 9:37pm
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My pleasure
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Elessar
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Jan 20, 7:25am
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I am more or less of the same mind.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 20, 5:52pm
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I beg to disagree
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 20, 6:30pm
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And yet Thror had gone mad. The movie already tells you as much. He had succumbed to "a sickness" of the mind.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 20, 7:03pm
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Agreed
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Elessar
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Jan 20, 6:37pm
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And some are pretty
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Captain Salt
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Jan 20, 6:34pm
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I guess
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Elessar
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Jan 20, 6:40pm
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Lol!
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Captain Salt
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Jan 20, 6:41pm
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Captain Salt,does quoting yourself make the point stronger? =)
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 20, 6:54pm
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Black Breathalizer, and YOUR point is what, exactly? =) //
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Captain Salt
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Jan 20, 7:26pm
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But, art being subjective, there are no facts of good versus bad. Only matters of taste.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 20, 7:15pm
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Everything's subjective, and taste
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 20, 8:02pm
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Well, shall we count what ways that AUJ failed to impress?
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Captain Salt
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Jan 20, 8:03pm
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a rebuttal
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 20, 9:24pm
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I agree thoroughly about the dwarves, and largely about the humour.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 21, 12:21am
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Again, this is simply not the case:
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Captain Salt
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Jan 21, 6:14am
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllll that typing I did to specifically respond to all that your long , 7
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 21, 6:45am
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Bilbo fretting over his handkerchief is from the book.
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entmaiden
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Jan 20, 9:48pm
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I put more stock in what was impressive.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 21, 12:03am
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I won't refute all of your counter-arguments, as clearly we're not going to agree
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Captain Salt
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Jan 21, 6:57am
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Fair enough
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 21, 7:06am
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Never mind, I've responsed to your considerable arguments in full (see above):
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Captain Salt
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Jan 21, 7:35am
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Well actually, I'll just respond to your previous post in full:
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Captain Salt
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Jan 21, 7:34am
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Thank you for the careful and thoughtful response. There remain matters on which
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 23, 10:58pm
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There's room for everyone here
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Altaira
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Jan 20, 7:59pm
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I was responding to this comment, actually:
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Captain Salt
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Jan 20, 8:08pm
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The same applies to that comment
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Altaira
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Jan 20, 8:40pm
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Your very negative comments regarding fellow posters is uncalled for.
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Old Toby
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Jan 21, 4:51am
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Thanks very much for sharing.
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Captain Salt
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Jan 21, 6:42am
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*points to top of the board*
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Silverlode
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Jan 21, 6:52am
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I certainly hope he replies
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 21, 6:56am
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Don't agree at all...
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Captain Salt
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Jan 19, 4:41pm
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Well, we are all entitled to our opinions, and varying tastes.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 19, 9:03pm
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Have the opposite reaction
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IdrilofGondolin
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Jan 20, 12:34am
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Um, I assume you only speak for yourself
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Old Toby
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Jan 20, 2:27am
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I agree
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peace1993
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Jan 19, 6:25pm
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The same criticisms were said of FotR...
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bborchar
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Jan 19, 6:59pm
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Not really, no.
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Captain Salt
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Jan 19, 7:09pm
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I explained...
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bborchar
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Jan 19, 7:34pm
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And I'm saying
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Captain Salt
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Jan 19, 7:58pm
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No, many are not of that opinion...
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bborchar
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Jan 19, 8:18pm
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In fact just the opposite...
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Captain Salt
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Jan 19, 8:30pm
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I don't think anyone is saying...
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bborchar
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Jan 19, 9:01pm
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*bangs head on keyboard*
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Roheryn
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Jan 19, 9:26pm
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Nice way of putting it...
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bborchar
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Jan 19, 10:51pm
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You're a breath of fresh air here!
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Old Toby
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Jan 20, 2:45am
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I'm kind of curious if this is age related at all
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Magpie
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Jan 20, 3:05am
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Could be...
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Roheryn
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Jan 20, 4:09am
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Flawlessly stated.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 20, 5:02am
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My rants
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Elessar
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Jan 20, 7:41am
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Maybe not an important thought
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Elessar
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Jan 21, 10:22pm
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More like a breath of rather old air. :-)
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Roheryn
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Jan 20, 3:56am
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Yay Ro!
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entmaiden
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Jan 20, 3:25am
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No,
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Starling
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Jan 20, 3:35am
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If I dig deep enough, I can find all kinds of fault with LOTR as movies.
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Kimtc
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Jan 20, 3:58am
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*bangs self on keyboard*
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Captain Salt
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Jan 20, 6:17pm
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That's not the situation
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peace1993
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Jan 20, 4:12am
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And the echo chamber/group think/fan denial continues... //
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Captain Salt
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Jan 20, 6:18pm
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Disagreement with an OPINION is not "denial", "group think", nor "echo chamber"//
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Kirly
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Jan 20, 10:47pm
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at some point, you have to consider that someone is just yanking people's chains
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Magpie
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Jan 21, 1:30am
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I have only just returned for a short time, but yes, began to think that yesterday.//
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Kirly
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Jan 21, 2:21am
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I don't know. I don't think being indelicate or over genralizing are definite signs of a Troll.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 21, 3:10am
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I don't necessarily think people who like to yank chains are trolls
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Magpie
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Jan 21, 4:24pm
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Eh, no but the kneejerk response of:
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Captain Salt
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Jan 21, 6:20am
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Yes they were..
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glor
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Jan 19, 8:20pm
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Thank you...
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bborchar
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Jan 19, 8:35pm
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A film should work on its own merrits.
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Captain Salt
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Jan 19, 8:52pm
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FotR got a good critical response...
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burrahobbit
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Jan 19, 9:26pm
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Oscars and critics two different ball games
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glor
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Jan 19, 11:16pm
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...
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burrahobbit
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Jan 19, 11:56pm
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I think we may agrere to disagree on the post-modern politics of criticism but..
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glor
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Jan 20, 12:37am
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Thank you!
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Captain Salt
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Jan 20, 6:21pm
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Pre-release Fan Expectations for AUJ & FOTR
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 20, 4:41pm
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Thank you :)
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bborchar
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Jan 20, 5:31pm
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Can't speak for everyone
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Grant
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Jan 19, 7:04pm
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It will sit fairly well next to LOTR on a shelf, but...
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jtarkey
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Jan 19, 9:22pm
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The only review I really care about
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Kangi Ska
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Jan 20, 5:21am
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45 years is a long time to wait. .and PJ didn't..
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Bombadil
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Jan 20, 7:02am
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