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Galadriel of Eregion

Elthir
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Jan 19 2013, 6:18pm


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Is there any proof that Tolkien abandoned his idea for Galadriel being the founder of Eregion? Which version was earlier? Celebrimbor being the lord or Galadriel the lady? I usually prefer the latest versions.




I can't say proof positive but when Tolkien originally wrote the text in question (Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn, Unfinished Tales) Celebrimbor was not yet a Feanorean. We know for sure JRRT alters this, and for the Second Edition of The Lord of the Rings (1960s) Tolkien merely adds to Appendix B that Celebrimbor (the Feanorean) was the Lord of Eregion.

This extra bit of information did not appear in the first edition, although the general migration of the Noldor to Eregion was described in Appendix B.

There are two instances in Tolkien's Words, Phrases And Passages (very generally speaking, this was written between the first and second editions of The Lord of the Rings) that could be raised, but they are a bit vague: the first notes that Celebrimbor was Lord of Eregion at the time of the forging of the Rings. But was he Lord at the time because he had wrested power from Galadriel? Seems a somewhat important detail to leave out, but maybe Tolkien did simplify things here. And if I recall correctly, JRRT refers to Appendix B here too, but we should remember that he was only referring to the general migration of the Noldor to Eregion, as again, Appendix B as it stood at this time did not mention Celebrimbor as Lord.

Another instance reads...

'... many of the Noldor and Sindar went eastwards into Eriador and beyond. (Galadriel and Celeborn were the chief examples; but originally the settlement at Eregion under Celebrimbor was also very imortant.)

JRRT, WPP, page 53




I'm not saying JRRT couldn't have kept Galadriel as co-ruler of Eregion, and her 'scorn' of Annatar, and explained it somehow. Tolkien is quite imaginative of course, but I just think he dropped this, along with other notions in this same essay, like Amroth being Galadriel's son for example, which was surely dropped.

And Galadriel will still get her realm in Lorien in any case, if later Smile

Just to note it: Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn was hardly a finished text, noting Christopher Tolkien's characterization of it, and again I think it contains more than one abandoned idea.


Although as far as this question, as I say it's my opinion, not a certainty however.


(This post was edited by Elthir on Jan 19 2013, 6:28pm)

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Chief matter? Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Jan 18 2013, 7:28pm
    I vote #2 CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 18 2013, 8:14pm
        Tolkiens mind Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Jan 18 2013, 8:24pm
            Greatness vs quantity CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 18 2013, 10:07pm
                Who would? Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Jan 18 2013, 11:16pm
                    Second Age mistory (mist plus history) Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Jan 19 2013, 1:49am
                        Eregion Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Jan 19 2013, 7:53am
                            Another example Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Jan 19 2013, 8:20am
                            Galadriel of Eregion Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Jan 19 2013, 6:18pm
                                Eregion Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Jan 19 2013, 8:03pm
                                    external chronology Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Jan 20 2013, 5:19pm
                                        Galadriel Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Jan 20 2013, 7:46pm

 
 
 

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