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...or reaching just far enough?

telain
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Jan 18 2013, 4:51pm


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Well, I did use a question mark to indicate that the idea of stone-giants as made of stone was certainly up for debate!

However, upon reflection, (and your response) I think I believe more strongly now that the stone-giants were made of stone. For that, I thank you Otaku-sempai, because it made look a bit further into why I think/feel so.

First of all, I will admit that it is too small a passage to say definitively one way or another:


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...he saw that across the valley the stone-giants were out, and were hurling rocks at one another fora game, and catching them, and tossing them down into the darkness...


This point leads me to believe that the reader's interpretation might be allowed to be a bit more "free". When I read this (even well before seeing Jackson's visual interpretation) I most definitely envisioned them as being "of stone" in some way -- whether fully or partially made of rock.

Secondly, I did not think, nor do I now, that Tolkien calls them stone-giants simply because they liked to toss rocks about the mountain valleys. I think it is much more likely that he is encouraging a fantasy-minded, imaginative audience that the possibility of creatures made of stone exist in the hard-to-reach mountain environments. I especially think so since the passage I quoted above comes fast on the heals of the this passage:


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More terrible still are thunder and lightning in the mountains at night, when storms comp up from the East and West and make war.


On the one hand, I would argue it is merely poetic language, on the other hand, my imagination sees a personification of the winds actually making war; Tolkien giving "voice" to yet another aspect of the natural world. In this thread we have already discussed the "living" characteristics of stone in Middle-earth, therefore I don't see stone-giants as being made of stone to be too far off the mark.

Thirdly, the fact that trolls can be turned into stone introduces to me the possibility of stone "stone-giants" even further. (Even more so the fact that stone-giants come out at night -- so is there some relationship between sunlight and stone and animation?)

Now, I ask a question: when/where does Tolkien talk about giants in other contexts? Nothing comes to my mind (a frequent occurrence unfortunately!) but perhaps that might shed some light on things...

Thanks again for making me consider this point further, Otaku-sempai!

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Niggled by rocks Al Carondas Send a private message to Al Carondas Jan 17 2013, 12:43am
    Not sure, but CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 17 2013, 2:04am
        Thanks Al Carondas Send a private message to Al Carondas Jan 17 2013, 2:53am
            Possible double meaning CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 17 2013, 12:53pm
    Perhaps Gwenhwyfar Send a private message to Gwenhwyfar Jan 17 2013, 2:19am
    Sentient stone Mim Send a private message to Mim Jan 17 2013, 11:41am
        One of Tolkien's most haunting sentences sador Send a private message to sador Jan 17 2013, 1:18pm
            The Land of Hollin Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Jan 17 2013, 3:20pm
                The trees of Aulė. The heart of the mountain.// Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Jan 17 2013, 3:26pm
                    Trees indeed... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Jan 27 2013, 8:35pm
                        Yes, mountains have roots and trees have hearts. Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Jan 28 2013, 5:57am
                Sweet! Al Carondas Send a private message to Al Carondas Jan 18 2013, 12:28am
            I love that line, too squire Send a private message to squire Jan 17 2013, 7:53pm
        Caradhras in particular seems sentient. And possibly Mount Doom.// CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 17 2013, 8:27pm
            the Lonely Mountain as well telain Send a private message to telain Jan 17 2013, 10:43pm
            "“the knees of Caradhras" and trees Entwife Wandlimb Send a private message to Entwife Wandlimb Jan 18 2013, 1:48am
    stone-giants? telain Send a private message to telain Jan 17 2013, 10:55pm
        That is reaching a bit... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jan 18 2013, 4:07pm
            ...or reaching just far enough? telain Send a private message to telain Jan 18 2013, 4:51pm
                To answer your question... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jan 18 2013, 5:11pm
                    Thank you!// telain Send a private message to telain Jan 20 2013, 1:37pm
                        Another viewpoint... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jan 21 2013, 5:23am
                            ...which makes sense given what I was reading yesterday! telain Send a private message to telain Jan 21 2013, 2:01pm
    The Caverns of Helm's Deep Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Jan 18 2013, 5:17pm
        brilliant reference! telain Send a private message to telain Jan 20 2013, 1:40pm
            Please do! Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Jan 20 2013, 4:46pm
    Gwenhwyfar has it right, but... Atlas Send a private message to Atlas Jan 26 2013, 4:38am

 
 
 

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