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Fredeghar Wayfarer
Lorien
Jan 17 2013, 4:56am
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I personally like the idea that Orcs were corrupted from Elves. It fits with earlier mythology. Goblins were often treated as the dark cousins of fairies and elves in folklore. Often, the races weren't even distinguished. They were all lumped together as mischievous trickster spirits. For example, Puck in A Midsummer Night's Dream is described as a hobgoblin but serves the Fairy King. Orcs coming from Elvish origin makes sense in this context. And there is evidence for them having a long life span. Bolg died over a hundred years after his father Azog. Several orcs in LOTR made comments that implied they remembered long-ago battles. The orcs of Goblin-town seemed to recognize Glamdring and Orcrist, which were First Age weapons (though this could be from descriptions in Orkish legends). I doubt they were immortal but they did seem to be long-lived. As far as the condition being inheritable, torture alone would not turn an Elf into a deformed, bestial creature like an Orc. There may have been dark magic involved as well, some sort of induced mutation that changed their nature. Once they were transformed, Morgoth could then have them breed until the corrupted traits were dominant. It would take time but eventually, he'd end up with a new race. Maybe Morgoth used both Elves and Men in his breeding experiments. Mannish blood might limit the life span but it would introduce the cruelties and corruption that Men are capable of. Orcs would then be the dark mirror of the Children of Iluvatar, a chilling warning of what Elves or Men could become if they give in to evil.
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Origin of Orcs
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Eowyn3
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Jan 16 2013, 1:37am
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I'd be interested to know why that bothers you.
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Ataahua
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Jan 16 2013, 2:51am
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Origin of Orcs
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Eowyn3
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Jan 16 2013, 3:56am
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Well, Melkor and Sauron started out as pure, higher beings...
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CuriousG
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Jan 16 2013, 4:49am
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immortal orks
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Elthir
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Jan 16 2013, 4:21pm
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Add Orcs to the Bombadil and other origin mystery list.
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Eruonen
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Jan 16 2013, 5:48pm
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I think it's really disturbing that Orcs may be descended from Elves
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DanielLB
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Jan 16 2013, 9:51am
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I actually like it!
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Súlimë
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Jan 16 2013, 10:05am
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Welcome to TORn!
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sador
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Jan 16 2013, 3:38pm
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I agree, the elvish origin idea has too many problems
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Eruonen
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Jan 16 2013, 3:22pm
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However, if the orcs are like dwarves as first made by Aule
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Eruonen
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Jan 16 2013, 3:37pm
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Perhaps trolls could not reproduce?
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 16 2013, 3:48pm
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Treebeard said that trolls were made in mockery of Ents
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CuriousG
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Jan 16 2013, 7:29pm
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If Morgoth used Ents as a "template" for Trolls,
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 16 2013, 7:56pm
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That doesn't mean that Ents were corrupted to become trolls...
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 16 2013, 8:17pm
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Trolls and Ents and Orcs
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CuriousG
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Jan 16 2013, 9:23pm
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Orcs from Elves
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Fredeghar Wayfarer
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Jan 17 2013, 4:56am
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Great points//
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CuriousG
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Jan 17 2013, 12:55pm
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It may interest you to know
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Roheryn
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Jan 17 2013, 8:44am
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Ooops! Channelling my better half! Sorry.\\
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NZ Strider
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Jan 17 2013, 9:11am
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But then there is the problem of chronology....
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 17 2013, 4:45pm
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Chronology
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Elthir
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Jan 17 2013, 4:56pm
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Certainly; however, Tolkien was always obsessively
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NZ Strider
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Jan 17 2013, 8:45pm
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You raise a good point...
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 18 2013, 3:31am
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Origin of Orcs
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Eowyn3
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Jan 17 2013, 2:09pm
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orcs from elves
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andwise
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Jan 17 2013, 2:24pm
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"The Kinslaying", over and over again
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CuriousG
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Jan 17 2013, 4:14pm
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Men... the' final' idea?
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Elthir
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Jan 17 2013, 4:39pm
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dogs from wolves
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elevorn
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Jan 17 2013, 5:20pm
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If you as I take Orcs corrupted from Elves as canon
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Asger
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Jan 17 2013, 8:16pm
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made in mockery
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Elthir
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Jan 17 2013, 4:08pm
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Back to dragons
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CuriousG
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Jan 17 2013, 4:23pm
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There is something almost 'saurian' about dragons...
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 17 2013, 4:55pm
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On dragons
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Gwenhwyfar
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Jan 17 2013, 8:30pm
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Dragons
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Fredeghar Wayfarer
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Jan 18 2013, 1:54am
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Fast forward to "Of the Return of the Noldor" for dragon origins
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CuriousG
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Jan 18 2013, 7:15am
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