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Is evil logical or intuitive?

CuriousG
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Jan 16 2013, 2:08am


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Good points all around, Mim. In general, I think every cosmology struggles to explain why Evil persists--why doesn't Good just destroy it? Isnt Good all-powerful? If Good isn't all-powerful, should we make our own deal with Evil?

Tolkien is in the same boat with the rest of us and has to come up with something to explain why Evil is still around. It works for me because Melkor assembles a personality, more so than Satan, for example, and more so than the other Valar, in my opinion, and probably without Tolkien really intending it, so I see him as sticking around no matter what you do because he's cleverer than the rest.

My question comes from some criticism I read of Tolkien that he doesn't do enough to prove that the good guys are good and bad guys are bad. For me, it's intuitively clear, and to deliberately misquote Frodo, the Valar seem fair and feel fair. But playing devil's advocate (literally), does JRR show them as morally superior to Melkor? They create and he destroys. Is that it? How about other qualities that we consider virtuous? Are they more honest, humble, loving, selfless, protective of the weak, generous, brave, seeing the best in everyone? I don't mean just in this chapter, but throughout the book. Is it possible to interpret the conflict as merely ideological, where neither side is right or wrong, such as one political party wanting to declare January the Month of the Puppy while another wants to name it the Month of the Kitten? Are these just people fighting for control because they both want it?

Subject User Time
The Silmarillion discussion: Of the Beginning of Days noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 14 2013, 4:29pm
    a lamp theory :), returning evil, and beautiful trees hanne Send a private message to hanne Jan 15 2013, 2:47am
        2 trees CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 16 2013, 2:59am
    Time and Valinor elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Jan 15 2013, 3:58pm
        Lamps, regrouping evil and selfish Valar noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 15 2013, 8:29pm
            yes, it does elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Jan 15 2013, 8:43pm
                When you put it that way, it is a hole CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 16 2013, 2:21am
    Inevitable evil Mim Send a private message to Mim Jan 15 2013, 10:35pm
        Is evil logical or intuitive? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 16 2013, 2:08am
            logical and intuitive? telain Send a private message to telain Jan 16 2013, 4:50pm
            The reader knows evil when they see it Mim Send a private message to Mim Jan 17 2013, 11:38am
                The next chapter is underway ! noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 24 2013, 9:42pm
    Even immortal elves can't escape Death and Taxes (VATs) CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 16 2013, 2:53am
        Nature is violent... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jan 16 2013, 3:59pm
            TV nature specials CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 16 2013, 7:42pm
    Very late answers sador Send a private message to sador Feb 4 2013, 3:23pm
        Very welcome answers: I don't think "late" is a problem! // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 4 2013, 3:32pm
        Secretly an Ent? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 4 2013, 7:37pm

 
 
 

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