Our Sponsor Sideshow Collectibles Send us News
Lord of the Rings Tolkien
Search Tolkien
Lord of The RingsTheOneRing.net - Forged By And For Fans Of JRR Tolkien
Lord of The Rings Serving Middle-Earth Since The First Age

Lord of the Rings Movie News - J.R.R. Tolkien
Do you enjoy the 100% volunteer, not for profit services of TheOneRing.net?
Consider a donation!

  Main Index   Search Posts   Who's Online   Log in
The One Ring Forums: Tolkien Topics: Reading Room:
I don't think there is a "final" word


Jan 14 2013, 10:01pm

Views: 353
I don't think there is a "final" word [In reply to] Can't Post

The note to the problem of Ros is the last word, but as you've written, it introduces a massive overhaul of the legend of the War of Wrath, and takes away Earendil's exploit. Ancalagon becomes the Midgardsormer in a future Ragnarok, rather than the first and greatest of winged dragons; but at least the element of the most powerful Ainu being slain be a mere mortal is eradicated - and that in a version which is supposed to be a Mannish tradition!
Also, once this vision is attributed to Andreth, this supports Christopher Tolkien's decision to altogether omit the Second Prophecy of Mandos from the published Silmarillion - a decision which Voronwe lamented in Arda Reconstructed, and in this_thread (he attributes CT's decision to the end of the Valaquenta, and takes issue with it). I've made this point in my reponse (one of the last in that thread) to him - but if you have the time, reading the whole discussion should be very interesting.
One point, however, is that is Ancalagon the Black will appear in the Last Battle - Gandalf's words reagrding him to Frodo in The Shadow of the Past seem wrong, as they imply he was the greatest dragon in the (then) history, not a present or future menace.

The description of Turambar and Nienori's fate in The Book of Lost Tales is very interesting (I've commented about it in the thread linked to above), but I must say that despite the phrase "as shining Valar", I have always assumed that they were no more than counted among the sons of the Valar, Tolkien's early concept of the Maiar. This was clearly rejected in later versions; but I suppose that without it, tolkien would never have come to the idea that Turin would become Melkor's Bane - a fate which I think hardly makes sense in the later story. But it took Tolkien half a century to (maybe) discard it altogether, and he never wrote any alternative version of the Last Battle. One hint in a footnote doesn't mean that he even had any alternative vision, or even conception of it.

Subject User Time
Turin a Vala? Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Jan 12 2013, 7:59pm
    Doubt he was a Vala Fredeghar Wayfarer Send a private message to Fredeghar Wayfarer Jan 12 2013, 9:40pm
        Last Battles Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Jan 14 2013, 12:01am
    I don't think there is a "final" word sador Send a private message to sador Jan 14 2013, 10:01pm
        I never saw Turin slaying Melkor as a problem or an unlikely event within the myth ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Jan 16 2013, 1:06am


Search for (options) Powered by Gossamer Forum v.1.2.3

home | advertising | contact us | back to top | search news | join list | Content Rating

This site is maintained and updated by fans of The Lord of the Rings, and is in no way affiliated with Tolkien Enterprises or the Tolkien Estate. We in no way claim the artwork displayed to be our own. Copyrights and trademarks for the books, films, articles, and other promotional materials are held by their respective owners and their use is allowed under the fair use clause of the Copyright Law. Design and original photography however are copyright © 1999-2012 TheOneRing.net. Binary hosting provided by Nexcess.net

Do not follow this link, or your host will be blocked from this site. This is a spider trap.