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I don't think we know how bound to a solid walking form Balrog's were.

AinurOlorin
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Jan 13 2013, 12:55am


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I don't think we know how bound to a solid walking form Balrog's were. [In reply to] Can't Post

We know that they could move very fast, if they so chose. As fast as an exploding fire perhaps? They are said to have rushed to the aid of Melkor-Morgoth when he was assailed by Ungoliant at an alarming speed. In the movies, he is portrayed as essentially materializing out of the flames.

And no, I am pretty sure the Dwarves (save maybe the reincarnating Durin, who was slain and did not reincarnate again in The Third Age) did not have any real knowledge of what a Balrog was, and they would have been to proud to ask the Elves. Also, the tale was one of both shame and ineffable horror to them, so they did not often speak of it. All they knew is that something terrible and powerful slew Durin and then hunted down and slew Nain, and that their weapons were useless against it. They had enough of a running description that the general image haunted their nightmares and legends, and for Dain and Gimli to be able to recognize it immediately as Durin's Bane, but of its past, its relationship to Thangorodrim, Angband, Melkor et al. . . lore for The Wise.

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We're going to see more of Balin and Co heading off to Moria after Bilbo says goodbye and goes home to his auction? I rather doubt it.

As for the lack of knowledge about the Balrog, I guess we can surmise that they really didn't know what it was that dwelt in the deep places under Moria. No doubt they had some theories that it might be some creature of Sauron's, but not exactly what type. Since this was one of the Balrog's that fled after Morgoth's downfall, it was a long way from where that all occurred.

(Begs another question, forgive me but, if the balrog didn't have wings, how long would it take for him to walk from the now sunken area where Angband was to get to Moria???)


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

Subject User Time
question about the Moria flashback ghost_matt Send a private message to ghost_matt Jan 11 2013, 12:37pm
    Check out - Awakening and third age imin Send a private message to imin Jan 11 2013, 12:50pm
    Film vs. book TFP Send a private message to TFP Jan 11 2013, 1:27pm
    Dain saw the Balrog stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 11 2013, 1:30pm
        This never would have worked in the movie Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 11 2013, 3:05pm
            It was absurd stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 11 2013, 3:34pm
                Poor Balin! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jan 11 2013, 3:41pm
                    I'm never going to see the discovery of Balins tomb in FOTR the same again Azog Send a private message to Azog Jan 12 2013, 8:23pm
                        Agreed. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 12 2013, 9:01pm
                valiant? foolish? TFP Send a private message to TFP Jan 11 2013, 4:07pm
                    I'll add to that. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Jan 11 2013, 4:53pm
                Exactly. Exactly. And, as I say in another post, I think it possible that the defeat of Smaug, a victory beyond rational hope AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 12 2013, 3:18am
            I can see this confusing movie goers Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 11 2013, 4:27pm
                Movie goers die fast. Balin is Balin. And the Balrog is missing. xxxyyy Send a private message to xxxyyy Jan 11 2013, 4:48pm
                    Gandalf doesn't know there's a Balrog stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 11 2013, 6:25pm
                        Does anyone know how many went with Balin when he went back? Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 11 2013, 6:36pm
                            The known Dwarves that went with him are: DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jan 11 2013, 6:42pm
                                Thanks--I wondered about that. Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 11 2013, 6:59pm
                        I like that... but what about movie Gandalf? xxxyyy Send a private message to xxxyyy Jan 11 2013, 10:44pm
                        That isn't true in the films. In the movie timeline he DEFINITELY knows there is a Balrog. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 12 2013, 3:14am
                    On this much, at least, I think you and I entirely agree AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 13 2013, 12:47am
    Are we thinking... Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 11 2013, 5:01pm
        I think there is every chance... TheBladeGlowsBlue Send a private message to TheBladeGlowsBlue Jan 11 2013, 11:44pm
            But why are we going back to Moria with Balin? Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 11 2013, 11:50pm
                because... TheBladeGlowsBlue Send a private message to TheBladeGlowsBlue Jan 12 2013, 5:47am
                    And, again, the best way to handle this, without a fast forward, is through hinting and looking back AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 12 2013, 6:42am
                Because Moria has been brought into the films. At least, that is my rationale for AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 13 2013, 1:08am
        I don't think we know how bound to a solid walking form Balrog's were. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 13 2013, 12:55am

 
 
 

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