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AinurOlorin
Half-elven
Jan 13 2013, 12:55am
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I don't think we know how bound to a solid walking form Balrog's were.
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We know that they could move very fast, if they so chose. As fast as an exploding fire perhaps? They are said to have rushed to the aid of Melkor-Morgoth when he was assailed by Ungoliant at an alarming speed. In the movies, he is portrayed as essentially materializing out of the flames. And no, I am pretty sure the Dwarves (save maybe the reincarnating Durin, who was slain and did not reincarnate again in The Third Age) did not have any real knowledge of what a Balrog was, and they would have been to proud to ask the Elves. Also, the tale was one of both shame and ineffable horror to them, so they did not often speak of it. All they knew is that something terrible and powerful slew Durin and then hunted down and slew Nain, and that their weapons were useless against it. They had enough of a running description that the general image haunted their nightmares and legends, and for Dain and Gimli to be able to recognize it immediately as Durin's Bane, but of its past, its relationship to Thangorodrim, Angband, Melkor et al. . . lore for The Wise. We're going to see more of Balin and Co heading off to Moria after Bilbo says goodbye and goes home to his auction? I rather doubt it. As for the lack of knowledge about the Balrog, I guess we can surmise that they really didn't know what it was that dwelt in the deep places under Moria. No doubt they had some theories that it might be some creature of Sauron's, but not exactly what type. Since this was one of the Balrog's that fled after Morgoth's downfall, it was a long way from where that all occurred. (Begs another question, forgive me but, if the balrog didn't have wings, how long would it take for him to walk from the now sunken area where Angband was to get to Moria???) "Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!" "Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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question about the Moria flashback
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ghost_matt
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Jan 11 2013, 12:37pm
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Check out - Awakening and third age
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imin
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Jan 11 2013, 12:50pm
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Film vs. book
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TFP
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Jan 11 2013, 1:27pm
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Dain saw the Balrog
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stoutfiles
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Jan 11 2013, 1:30pm
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This never would have worked in the movie
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Kassandros
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Jan 11 2013, 3:05pm
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It was absurd
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stoutfiles
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Jan 11 2013, 3:34pm
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Poor Balin!
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DanielLB
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Jan 11 2013, 3:41pm
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I'm never going to see the discovery of Balins tomb in FOTR the same again
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Azog
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Jan 12 2013, 8:23pm
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Agreed.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 9:01pm
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valiant? foolish?
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TFP
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Jan 11 2013, 4:07pm
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I'll add to that.
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Macfeast
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Jan 11 2013, 4:53pm
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Exactly. Exactly. And, as I say in another post, I think it possible that the defeat of Smaug, a victory beyond rational hope
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 3:18am
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I can see this confusing movie goers
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Kimtc
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Jan 11 2013, 4:27pm
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Movie goers die fast. Balin is Balin. And the Balrog is missing.
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xxxyyy
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Jan 11 2013, 4:48pm
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Gandalf doesn't know there's a Balrog
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stoutfiles
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Jan 11 2013, 6:25pm
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Does anyone know how many went with Balin when he went back?
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Kimtc
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Jan 11 2013, 6:36pm
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The known Dwarves that went with him are:
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DanielLB
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Jan 11 2013, 6:42pm
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Thanks--I wondered about that.
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Kimtc
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Jan 11 2013, 6:59pm
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I like that... but what about movie Gandalf?
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xxxyyy
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Jan 11 2013, 10:44pm
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That isn't true in the films. In the movie timeline he DEFINITELY knows there is a Balrog.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 3:14am
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On this much, at least, I think you and I entirely agree
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 13 2013, 12:47am
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Are we thinking...
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Rostron2
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Jan 11 2013, 5:01pm
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I think there is every chance...
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TheBladeGlowsBlue
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Jan 11 2013, 11:44pm
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But why are we going back to Moria with Balin?
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Rostron2
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Jan 11 2013, 11:50pm
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because...
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TheBladeGlowsBlue
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Jan 12 2013, 5:47am
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And, again, the best way to handle this, without a fast forward, is through hinting and looking back
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 6:42am
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Because Moria has been brought into the films. At least, that is my rationale for
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 13 2013, 1:08am
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I don't think we know how bound to a solid walking form Balrog's were.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 13 2013, 12:55am
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