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marillaraina
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Jan 13 2013, 12:01am
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I had read Gramma's list the other day and then just went for viewing #4 last night keeping in mind to pay special attention to Thorin, Fili, and Kili during the Stone Giant scene. I'm absolutely certain of the following: Kili has one foot on each stone giant leg. As the stone giant legs separate, his feet start to separate as well and he goes to the right of the audience. Fili, on our left, says to Kili, "Grab my hand", but the giant moved too fast to allow this. When it appears that Kili and the other Dwarves on the stone giant leg on the right of the screen are smashed and killed, Thorin screams "Kili" a couple times. When we see that the Dwarves to the right of the screen are not killed, we hear, "They're alive!" and Thorin rushes towards them saying, with great relief, "Kili". so, I believe you are mistaken, unless I have misunderstood you. Gramma, this is a fantastic list! It gave me specific things to look for on my 4th viewing that I may not have noticed yet. I haven't posted much in years and years and years but I remember your dedication and prolific posting. :-) IMO the other poster is correct. FILI is the one with the group on the moving giant that crashes into the mountain. You can actually SEE Fili there when they come around the corner to view the group. Kili is on the stable ledge, Fili is the one pulled away. I think the reason it is confusing is because at first BOTH groups are on one of the giants knees, one on the left knee and one on the right knee, split between Kili and Fili, thus the rather emotional scene where they are pulled away from each other BUT then the giant's knee on the right side of the screen(easier to say that than trying to figure out if it's the right or left knee of the giant with all that movement going on:)) hits the mountain again and a whole group of them, which starts with Thorin and ends with Kili, scrambles off the knee and onto a relatively stable ledge. However the group on the other knee has no such opportunity. In fact there is a brief bit, after Thorin's group scrambles onto the ledge off the giant's knee, where you actually see Kili, who is still at the end of the Thorin's group, watching the giant move away again obviously he'd be most concerned about his brother. So yes Fili is the one with the group on the giant's knee that crashes into the side of the mountain which at first Thorin and his group fear have been crushed. The group on that knee were Dwalin, Bofur, Bombur, Ori and Fili. I've got a screen cap, I'm looking right at it and it's plain as day who that group were. Bilbo was with them too but he ended up hanging off the ledge so he isn't in the screen cap. I'd post but we're not allowed to. I'm willing to put down the confusion between Kili and Fili to the fact that possibly a) Thorin didn't know who exactly was in the group on the knee and as Kili was at the very end of the group that had managed to get off the giant, he didn't realize it yet so assumed Kili was there b) Thorin knew who was on the Giant but was calling Kili to come to him in order for them to deal with whatever had happened together and because Kili is the most nimble and thus if there was any sort of difficulty in reaching any survivors he might be the most immediately useful(Thorin calls on Kili quite often so this wouldn't be surprising) c) it's just the effects of all the noise going and when Thorin sounds like he's saying "oh Kili" he's actually saying "oh Fili" but it's hard to tell because the names are so similar. d) Dialogue mistake they somehow missed and so it was never fixed because even they can't keep the dwarves straight...Kili..Fili...Fili...Kili, they're practically the same anyway and they couldn't remember which one was supposed to be nearly crushed. :). Another reason it might be confusing is because at one point early in the scene Kili IS next to Bofur, it's when Bofur's looking out at the Stone Giants with his head further out than the rest of the group. However at some point he moves ahead and Fili ends up between Kili and Bofur.
(This post was edited by marillaraina on Jan 13 2013, 12:09am)
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My Geeky Observations... it's a start :)
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 9 2013, 3:10am
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Wow - what an amazing start!
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entmaiden
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Jan 9 2013, 3:23am
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People keep getting them mixed up and they look nothing alike
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marillaraina
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Jan 9 2013, 3:41am
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I posted this on Monday
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DanielLB
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Jan 9 2013, 8:26am
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THAT's what he says!!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 9 2013, 3:55am
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Moths and snoring
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MistyMountain
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Jan 9 2013, 4:22am
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You're right!! THANKS! :D //
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 10 2013, 5:56pm
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Done :)
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Eledhwen
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Jan 9 2013, 8:16am
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I definitely agree on 'Minty' - that's what I heard each time! //
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Eleniel
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Jan 9 2013, 10:54am
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Minty still makes me think
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 9 2013, 3:25pm
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I agree with Minty. :D //
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 9 2013, 3:44pm
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Awesome!
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Mooseboy018
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Jan 9 2013, 3:28am
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Check and Check! THANKS! //
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 10 2013, 5:57pm
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Great list so far!
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SirDennisC
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Jan 9 2013, 3:34am
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helmet
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Mooseboy018
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Jan 9 2013, 5:01am
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No, it's the kind of helmet
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Silverlode
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Jan 9 2013, 5:42am
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Screencaps
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Silverlode
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Jan 9 2013, 6:04am
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That does look similar
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SirDennisC
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Jan 9 2013, 6:26am
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I assumed Frodo brought them.
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Mooseboy018
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Jan 9 2013, 6:03pm
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It could also be
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 10 2013, 6:05pm
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Duh yeah that makes sense
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SirDennisC
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Jan 9 2013, 5:56am
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I'm going loupe! ;)
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 10 2013, 6:00pm
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Thanks gramma
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SirDennisC
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Jan 10 2013, 8:43pm
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Oh my...
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 12:41am
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Wow!
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Oin's parasite
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Jan 9 2013, 3:46am
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So True!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 12:45am
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Bilbos chest
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pettytyrant101
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Jan 9 2013, 3:47am
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I wonder if
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 12:55am
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Impressive
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sevilodorf
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Jan 9 2013, 4:12am
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AH! Chronicles!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 1:09am
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Geeky observation
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arithmancer
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Jan 9 2013, 4:27am
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It helps immensely!! :D
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 1:26am
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Just ... wow!
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ceppault
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Jan 9 2013, 4:37am
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*giggle*
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 1:29am
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Geeky observations
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malla
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Jan 9 2013, 5:12am
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now I'm confused.....
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malla
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Jan 10 2013, 12:21am
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oppssss...
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malla
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Jan 10 2013, 12:35am
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The button second from the bottom remains
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entmaiden
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Jan 10 2013, 1:27am
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Buttons!! :D
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 2:09am
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Bwahahaha!!!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 2:07am
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LOL.....
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malla
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Jan 11 2013, 3:21am
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What a magnificent list!
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Ataahua
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Jan 9 2013, 5:50am
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That is so cool!!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 1:24am
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Whoo hooo!
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Roheryn
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Jan 9 2013, 9:15am
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*hugs* I think entmaiden joined TORn
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 1:50am
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That's a heck of a list!
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Tintallë
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Jan 9 2013, 9:34am
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You're right about 248!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 2:13am
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Sword names
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Vaire
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Jan 9 2013, 9:50am
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You're right!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 2:19am
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In the chest
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DanielLB
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Jan 9 2013, 10:05am
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Seriously!? wow! could you give some pic evidence daniel? :) //
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Xanaseb
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Jan 9 2013, 12:20pm
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For the nose, or tooth/claw?
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DanielLB
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Jan 9 2013, 12:26pm
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cheers, yep, meant the nose! And ooh they do look kinda similar. Mazarbul Ori has a slightly worn down version though (weathering eh? ;) ) //
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Xanaseb
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Jan 9 2013, 12:32pm
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Taphonomy :)
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 9 2013, 10:39pm
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Wow! Now THAT is truly geeky & awesome! //
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NottaSackville
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Jan 9 2013, 12:48pm
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Awesome!!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 2:26am
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EPIC Gramma :D thankyou thankyou thankyou. One to add concerning Dale and Erebor:
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Xanaseb
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Jan 9 2013, 12:19pm
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I totally agree :D
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 2:30am
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Some additional observations and corrections.
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Azaghâl
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Jan 9 2013, 12:42pm
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*jaw drops* COOL!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 2:47am
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gramma - you are, as always, a completely amazing treasure - thanks for this! //
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NottaSackville
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Jan 9 2013, 12:50pm
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I noticed a seeming continuity error
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malickfan
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Jan 9 2013, 1:13pm
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gramma? Thang you very Bunch!
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Bombadil
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Jan 9 2013, 2:02pm
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Good point on the map
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 2:51am
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The portraits of Peter and Fran as Bilbo's parents
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Jan 9 2013, 3:12pm
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He's eating an apple as he comes out of the pantry, and gets the letters.
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DanielLB
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Jan 9 2013, 4:15pm
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same! I eat all the apple, just not the stick ;) //
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Xanaseb
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Jan 9 2013, 8:32pm
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I checked again
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 2:56am
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I checked again, too!
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Jan 13 2013, 6:11pm
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Agreed
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ryouko
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Jan 13 2013, 8:52pm
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Thanks to you both :D Now the question is...
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 15 2013, 12:16am
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The candles in Bag End all have soot marks above them on the ceiling. //
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Jan 9 2013, 3:22pm
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Check! Danka Muchly!! :D //
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 2:59am
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grammaboodawg, you are a treasure!
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 9 2013, 3:23pm
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awww... thanks :)
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:09am
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That's wonderful!
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 11 2013, 4:29am
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300.Sting stops glowing blue when the goblin dies
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Jan 9 2013, 3:32pm
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Good point!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:10am
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"What have I got in my pocket?"
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Jan 9 2013, 3:35pm
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In the nick of time!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:14am
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Who is the dwarf shown in an overhead shot in Goblintown
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Jan 9 2013, 3:40pm
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That would be Óin. //
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Macfeast
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Jan 9 2013, 3:52pm
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Thanks!
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Jan 9 2013, 3:56pm
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It goes pretty fast...
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Macfeast
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Jan 9 2013, 4:19pm
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*giggles* So cool :D
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:18am
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I checked this part again, too!
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Jan 13 2013, 6:14pm
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Yep, Macfeast saw him, too
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:16am
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When Thorin is on the Carrock just before embracing Bilbo,
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Jan 9 2013, 3:48pm
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Ow! Ow, ow, ow!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:21am
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"Riddles in the dark"
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morgul lord
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Jan 9 2013, 6:22pm
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You beat me to it
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Nira
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Jan 10 2013, 1:20am
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Check! :D Thanks! //
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:35am
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Thank you
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Rostron2
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Jan 9 2013, 6:24pm
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Oh, but I am :D
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:36am
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wow!
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Elenorflower
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Jan 9 2013, 7:31pm
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Did you do any of this while watching 3D?
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Kimtc
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Jan 9 2013, 8:34pm
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Bwaahahahaaaaa!!! Can't take notes with glasses on?!?
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:40am
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LOL...your notes....
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malla
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Jan 11 2013, 3:58am
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I'll be crying too, malla :}
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 4:11am
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IMAX
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malla
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Jan 11 2013, 4:33am
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IMAX
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malla
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Jan 11 2013, 4:36am
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As regards the DVD release of TH AUJ
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kiwifan
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Jan 11 2013, 7:03pm
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Question
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Anubis
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Jan 9 2013, 9:48pm
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I mentioned in a prior response
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:47am
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Interestingly ... in the WETA Chronicales book only Thorin, Balin and Dwalin
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DanielLB
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Jan 11 2013, 6:03pm
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That's a great point!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 12 2013, 1:56am
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A little addition
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The Prancing Pony
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Jan 9 2013, 9:57pm
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Awesome!! :D
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:50am
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"...but Dori groaned "my poor legs, my poor legs!"
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dernwyn
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Jan 9 2013, 10:28pm
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Yes!!! Yes!!!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:52am
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Just a quick sidenote
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Anubis
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Jan 9 2013, 10:42pm
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You surely must mean
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 9 2013, 10:43pm
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They're like Mongolian hats
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DanielLB
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Jan 9 2013, 10:55pm
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That´s it! mongolian hats!! thanks
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Anubis
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Jan 10 2013, 8:06pm
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I know! I was so happy
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:56am
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I don't think you have this on your list ...
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DanielLB
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Jan 9 2013, 10:56pm
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*my eyes pop out*
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:57am
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I have some observations
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TheSexyBeard
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Jan 9 2013, 11:31pm
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Great Catch!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 4:02am
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Ori's new mallet
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ryouko
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Jan 12 2013, 12:07am
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I like that!! :D
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 12 2013, 1:59am
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Don't think so...
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marillaraina
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Jan 15 2013, 8:03am
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Agreed :) //
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 23 2013, 1:45am
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Kili
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swordwhale
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Jan 23 2013, 5:58am
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THESE ARE GREAT!!! :D I'm working throught all of these
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 10 2013, 11:40am
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heading out now for viewing #19
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malla
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Jan 10 2013, 1:57pm
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Woohoo!! #19 :D
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 10 2013, 5:47pm
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#19 was awsome !!!
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malla
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Jan 10 2013, 8:09pm
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Elrond with Hadafang
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SirDennisC
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Jan 10 2013, 8:34pm
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Really!?! Awesome!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:33am
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Bwaahahahaaa!!!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 3:31am
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Two things that struck me right away (very good things in my opinion)
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kiwifan
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Jan 10 2013, 11:57am
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Oh wow...
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 4:06am
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Did anyone notice . . .
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Alcarcalime
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Jan 11 2013, 2:05am
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Yes!!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 4:07am
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Wow, grammaboodawg....you bow to no one!!!
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Old Toby
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Jan 11 2013, 5:22am
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*bows* I fondly do to TORn ;)
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 10:32am
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I don't think I've seen this mentioned,
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Jan 11 2013, 2:55pm
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Yeppers :D
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 11 2013, 5:59pm
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Bag End
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The Prancing Pony
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Jan 11 2013, 11:43pm
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I noticed the cookie jar...
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 12 2013, 2:02am
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cookie jar
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ryouko
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Jan 12 2013, 2:26am
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Dwalin and cookie jar
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malla
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Jan 12 2013, 4:37am
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Love it!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 12 2013, 1:38pm
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cookieeeeeees!
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swordwhale
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Jan 15 2013, 6:26am
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It's so cute
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 23 2013, 1:47am
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Just a couple of corrections
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Cynhild
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Jan 12 2013, 1:24pm
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Oh... this is great! :D
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 12 2013, 1:40pm
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Right...on some
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malla
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Jan 12 2013, 2:47pm
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speaking of Ori...
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malla
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Jan 12 2013, 3:14pm
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sausages...
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swordwhale
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Jan 15 2013, 6:27am
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check and check...
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 23 2013, 1:49am
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Kili is on the other leg, not with Thorin
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Kirly
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Jan 12 2013, 7:12pm
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Stone Giants
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marillaraina
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Jan 13 2013, 12:01am
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I've whatched this scene more than once and
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namarie
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Jan 13 2013, 8:58pm
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:)
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The Prancing Pony
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Jan 13 2013, 9:09pm
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As do a lot of people
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ryouko
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Jan 13 2013, 9:10pm
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I'm fixing, adding, removing stuff AND ADDING IN EVERYONE'S OBS!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 12 2013, 1:51pm
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Here's a couple more from my first IMAX 3-D viewing!!
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 12 2013, 4:53pm
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Wow, I'm in Rohan now!!
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 12 2013, 5:54pm
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geeky observations
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malla
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Jan 12 2013, 7:06pm
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I was looking for the Dwarf women,
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 12 2013, 8:55pm
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Dwarf women
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malla
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Jan 12 2013, 9:24pm
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Thanks for the advice!
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 12 2013, 9:43pm
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Thanks for the suggestion!
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ryouko
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Jan 12 2013, 11:08pm
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IMAX seating
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malla
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Jan 12 2013, 11:55pm
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Dwarf women
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ryouko
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Jan 13 2013, 10:54pm
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Did anyone else notice the swords in the chest?
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 12 2013, 9:08pm
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Yes,
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The Prancing Pony
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Jan 12 2013, 9:24pm
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Here's your excuse :)
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 12 2013, 10:27pm
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Radagast's Remedies
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 13 2013, 2:16am
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Radacast remedies
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malla
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Jan 13 2013, 5:59am
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Thanks! I forgot the chopsticks,
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 13 2013, 9:39pm
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Good eye!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 18 2013, 2:19am
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Kili and Fili are the first dwarves out of the trees following Bilbo's attempt to help Thorin against the orcs. //
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Jan 13 2013, 6:17pm
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With Dwalin right behind them
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Cynhild
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Jan 13 2013, 9:45pm
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Bifur uses sign language quite a bit.
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Jan 13 2013, 7:57pm
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If I remember rightly ...
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DanielLB
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Jan 13 2013, 8:10pm
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Skull and cup
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 13 2013, 8:25pm
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Bifur's hand gestures
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malla
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Jan 13 2013, 10:39pm
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Thanks, I remember someone mentioning it :)
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 13 2013, 10:47pm
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lol
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malla
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Jan 14 2013, 12:33am
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Apparently, he only speaks Old Dwarvish and no one save Gandalf can understand him
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kiwifan
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Jan 15 2013, 12:58am
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Bifur's sign language
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 15 2013, 2:08am
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It was only an idea that crossed my mind
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kiwifan
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Jan 15 2013, 10:52am
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Possibly he's signing in Dwarvish?
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 15 2013, 5:01pm
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**I've Gathered Geeky List Info from this post :) THANKS ALL! //
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 15 2013, 12:40am
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Got Observations through Tuesday 1-22 :) //
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 23 2013, 1:56am
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Unsure, but this is something I caught...
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One Ringer
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Jan 23 2013, 6:16pm
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I thought the same thing!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 24 2013, 5:47pm
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**I've Gathered Geeky List Info from this post :) THANKS ALL! //
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 24 2013, 5:43pm
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I can't read through all of these right now
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Tintallë
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Jan 24 2013, 5:58pm
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**PLEASE DO NOT ADD ANYMORE OBSERVATIONS FOR THE LIST TO THIS THREAD!** :D
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 5 2013, 12:04am
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