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Oiotári
Tol Eressea
Jan 12, 9:32pm
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I think Eru didn't sing the Ainur into existence to show that they are separate from Ea. He thinks them into existence and then they assist (or at least, He uses them) in the creation of the world. ... Eru's creation goes from thought to sound (the music) to actual spoken word Ea. I think he doesn't say Ea until the end, right?
I like that thought.
When the Valar enter the world, we are told that
they are its [the world's] life and it is theirs
Yet it an important distinction that Ainur =/= Eä
They are integral to one another, but not the same.
Also, another random thought which popped into my head regarding Eru saying simply "Eä":
If I recall correctly, there is a midrash in the Jewish Talmud which says that when God created the world, he did so by saying his name and that if anyone could say his name perfectly again, the world would be re-created.
(Don't take this as authoritative, I'm just going of something I seem to recall hearing in a religion course)
..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.
..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar
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The Silmarillion discussion: Ainulindale
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CuriousG
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Dec 31 2012, 3:38am
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Thanks for kicking this off, CuriousG!
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Ardamírë
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Dec 31 2012, 4:14am
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Why not sing the Aunur?
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noWizardme
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Dec 31 2012, 10:22pm
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Tolkien seemed to have the same sentiments about evil
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CuriousG
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Dec 31 2012, 10:31pm
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Where it starts...
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noWizardme
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Dec 31 2012, 10:53pm
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Nice--thought to music to sound
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CuriousG
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Jan 1, 10:30pm
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Ulmo
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Ardamírë
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Jan 2, 5:15pm
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Sorry, I wasn't clear
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CuriousG
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Jan 2, 6:37pm
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Well, no...
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Ardamírë
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Jan 4, 12:41am
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Regarding Ulmo
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Cyberia
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Jan 2, 8:09am
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I actually don't see the similarity
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Ardamírë
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Jan 2, 5:19pm
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saying Eä
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Oiotári
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Jan 12, 9:32pm
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Hark to those herald angels singing
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squire
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Jan 1, 2:35pm
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Excellent point
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CuriousG
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Jan 1, 10:04pm
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Stop me if you've heard this one, O Muse
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squire
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Jan 2, 7:19pm
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Excellent insight--many thanks! //
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CuriousG
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Jan 2, 8:14pm
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Another sung creation- the Kalevala
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noWizardme
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Jan 3, 4:54pm
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Creation is song
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The Gardener
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Jan 5, 6:00am
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Where's Eve? Or Varda?
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CuriousG
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Jan 5, 7:40am
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No women were mentioned by name
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Oiotári
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Jan 12, 8:45pm
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Worship of Creation is song
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squire
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Jan 5, 2:49pm
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Should have read the brochure?
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noWizardme
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Jan 1, 7:14pm
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It does strike me every time I read it
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CuriousG
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Jan 1, 9:25pm
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If we read that passage, perhaps it is not so clear
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Oiotári
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Jan 12, 9:02pm
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I wonder about Tulkas leaving
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CuriousG
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Jan 16, 3:30am
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Modern myth from modern things
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Mim
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Jan 1, 7:42pm
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Thanks--great points, especially
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CuriousG
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Jan 1, 9:21pm
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myth and music (and Manwe)
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telain
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Jan 8, 6:11pm
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I wonder if the creation myth of Arda was analogous to
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Plurmo
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Jan 2, 3:26am
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He was not far off of reality either............
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Eruonen
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Jan 4, 9:31pm
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Tolkien's Representation of the Trinity
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KingTurgon
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Jan 4, 9:45pm
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Jesus is Jesus
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Ardamírë
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Jan 4, 10:12pm
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For JRRT the events of ME were prior to
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Eruonen
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Jan 4, 11:18pm
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Gandalf, in some ways
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CuriousG
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Jan 4, 11:32pm
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Allegories - Contrast to The Lord of the Rings?
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noWizardme
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Jan 5, 9:03am
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Earlier post
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KingTurgon
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Jan 7, 8:25pm
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Jesus
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 6, 5:56pm
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Interesting idea- glad you posted it //
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noWizardme
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Jan 6, 7:09pm
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I know this isn't really a religion thread, but...
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Ardamírë
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Jan 6, 8:02pm
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Maybe "reluctant" isn't quite right,
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 6, 8:41pm
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Ah that passage
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Ardamírë
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Jan 6, 11:20pm
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Everyone's welcome to join in
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CuriousG
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Jan 6, 9:14pm
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Thank you, and my apologies to Ardamire
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 6, 10:19pm
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Without wishing to curtail this discussion- what are our plans for the next chapter?
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noWizardme
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Jan 6, 10:15pm
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We can take turns. Whoever wants to do the Valaquenta, just say so, and post when you'd like.//
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CuriousG
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Jan 6, 10:28pm
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Didn't get my edit inserted in time. More info:
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CuriousG
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Jan 6, 10:51pm
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I will take the Reading Room to Valaquenta, though I... do not know the way. :)
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noWizardme
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Jan 7, 1:02pm
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A Beautiful Creation
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 6, 10:24pm
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I looove this "chapter"
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Oiotári
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Jan 11, 6:20am
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Good point about no one to sing to
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CuriousG
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Jan 16, 3:28am
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Late for the party
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sador
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Jan 16, 10:52am
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