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That isn't true in the films. In the movie timeline he DEFINITELY knows there is a Balrog.

AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 3:14am


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That isn't true in the films. In the movie timeline he DEFINITELY knows there is a Balrog. [In reply to] Can't Post

Saruman taunts him with its presence from afar, very specifically. "Moria. . . you fear to go into those mines. . .Shadow and Flame." I think, for this to work and not be highly inconsistent, they HAVE to mention the Balrog, otherwise some of the Fellowship scenes look alternately contrived and inexplicable, but they also have to deal with Balin going anyway. My guess is, after the defeat of Smaug, he feels overconfident. Gandalf advises against attempting Moria, because of Durin's Bane, the cause of its abandonment, and here, either Balin scoffs, deeming that after a thousand years the horror is surely departed OR, if it was glimpsed during the Azanulbizar battle, the Smaug defeat causes him to believe that there may be hope of victory over the Terror of Moria as well (false hope), and perhaps is further encouraged by it having abstained from teh Moria battle. There is also the matter of how they will handle the affair of Thrain's Ring, and whether or not Balin still holds the notion that it remained Thror's Ring and might be found in Moria.

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That's why it was called Durin's Bane, no dwarf could accurately identify the monster. Only after encountering in in FOTR does Gandalf know.

Gandalf didn't need to warn Balin though, Balin knew. Given the long time that passed and the confidence from the Smaug defeat, Balin likely thought he could take Moria back. Perhaps the monster was dead or had left...and the allure if mythril and their original home was too much to ignore any longer. They had hope and that was enough to try.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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question about the Moria flashback ghost_matt Send a private message to ghost_matt Jan 11 2013, 12:37pm
    Check out - Awakening and third age imin Send a private message to imin Jan 11 2013, 12:50pm
    Film vs. book TFP Send a private message to TFP Jan 11 2013, 1:27pm
    Dain saw the Balrog stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 11 2013, 1:30pm
        This never would have worked in the movie Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 11 2013, 3:05pm
            It was absurd stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 11 2013, 3:34pm
                Poor Balin! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jan 11 2013, 3:41pm
                    I'm never going to see the discovery of Balins tomb in FOTR the same again Azog Send a private message to Azog Jan 12 2013, 8:23pm
                        Agreed. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 12 2013, 9:01pm
                valiant? foolish? TFP Send a private message to TFP Jan 11 2013, 4:07pm
                    I'll add to that. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Jan 11 2013, 4:53pm
                Exactly. Exactly. And, as I say in another post, I think it possible that the defeat of Smaug, a victory beyond rational hope AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 12 2013, 3:18am
            I can see this confusing movie goers Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 11 2013, 4:27pm
                Movie goers die fast. Balin is Balin. And the Balrog is missing. xxxyyy Send a private message to xxxyyy Jan 11 2013, 4:48pm
                    Gandalf doesn't know there's a Balrog stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 11 2013, 6:25pm
                        Does anyone know how many went with Balin when he went back? Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 11 2013, 6:36pm
                            The known Dwarves that went with him are: DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jan 11 2013, 6:42pm
                                Thanks--I wondered about that. Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 11 2013, 6:59pm
                        I like that... but what about movie Gandalf? xxxyyy Send a private message to xxxyyy Jan 11 2013, 10:44pm
                        That isn't true in the films. In the movie timeline he DEFINITELY knows there is a Balrog. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 12 2013, 3:14am
                    On this much, at least, I think you and I entirely agree AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 13 2013, 12:47am
    Are we thinking... Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 11 2013, 5:01pm
        I think there is every chance... TheBladeGlowsBlue Send a private message to TheBladeGlowsBlue Jan 11 2013, 11:44pm
            But why are we going back to Moria with Balin? Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 11 2013, 11:50pm
                because... TheBladeGlowsBlue Send a private message to TheBladeGlowsBlue Jan 12 2013, 5:47am
                    And, again, the best way to handle this, without a fast forward, is through hinting and looking back AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 12 2013, 6:42am
                Because Moria has been brought into the films. At least, that is my rationale for AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 13 2013, 1:08am
        I don't think we know how bound to a solid walking form Balrog's were. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 13 2013, 12:55am

 
 
 

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