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Bumblingidiot
Rohan
Jan 12 2013, 2:13am
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I was only talking about the fact that they didn't make him ten times better than everyone else at fighting. The other stuff - the insertion of a 'character arc' where none is needed - don't get me started on that... I feel one of my turns coming on..... And yes, if Ms Blanchett, who is almost certainly the result of magical forces herself - had accepted the ring, I think the point wasn't that she would be too strong for her enemies, but more that no-one (at least on the 'good side') would want to defeat her - they would become willing slaves, but slaves nonetheless. She recognised the loss of free will to emotion - the worst side of nationalism or religion or ideology - and rejected it. A leader's permission to lead should be provided by their competence, not the love they inspire, and she has the wisdom to reject the god like status that the latter case - possession of the ring - would give her. It's really interesting that Tolkien took this stance, as it challenges the notion of the Old Testament god - who ruled entirely by inspiring fear (as in Sauron) and devotion (as in Galadriel with the ring). He's hinting at a very different type of faith - in a god that is in the background and who inspires, but leaves people to find their own morality - according to their common sense - and to govern themselves. That would be consistent with Tolkien's view of the Bible as a 'true myth', rather than a literal set of rules - something that inspires and informs our own inbuilt notions of decency and common sense - which brings us back to the hobbits, who are the embodiment of this. Thinking about it, it makes sense that at the end of LOTR, the Shire has been Galadrielised (via Sam's gift) and now represents the best of both worlds - the everyday and the magical, but remains far away from, and uninvolved in, the centres of earthly and military power, represented by the new King.
who had never wanted to be king. That's like saying that the whole continuity for thousands of years of the Line of Valandil was without purpose. That the ancestral duty of keeping the numenorean kingdom on Middle-earth had become irrelevant, a matter of free choice of an unwilling individual instead of the final act of a will of kings that stood alight despite all the efforts of the enemy to quench it. It was such an imbecility from the scriptwriters that one doubts if they have any understanding of what they are reading in the books. As for Galadriel, I think you are very right in your estimation of her power. It is relevant that Gandalf the White was only awakened after she refused the Ring. Had she claimed it for herself there would be no Sauron, no Istari, no High elf, no hobbit, no one that could defeat her.
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Protesting in advance to the notion of Galadriel carrying Gandalf like a babe in arms, as though she were an angel of mercy.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 11 2013, 7:06am
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lol what makes you think this will happen? //
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lurtz2010
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Jan 11 2013, 7:27am
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It was reported in an EW article. There was a link to it in an earlier post on this board.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 11 2013, 7:50am
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Agreed
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JWPlatt
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Jan 11 2013, 8:33am
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That has been a worry since I heard Phillipa comment on Galadriel
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 11 2013, 8:48am
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I love the idea...
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Elutherian
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Jan 11 2013, 8:19am
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I can certainly see Gandalf
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Rolfina
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Jan 11 2013, 8:33am
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Do we know the circumstances of how he ends up over her shoulder?
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imin
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Jan 11 2013, 8:29am
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I am inclined to agree with you here.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 11 2013, 8:51am
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Yeah i wouldnt like it
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imin
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Jan 11 2013, 8:59am
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Girls generally aren't stupid.
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Bumblingidiot
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Jan 11 2013, 2:27pm
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I agree with this but it aint going to happen
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imin
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Jan 11 2013, 5:08pm
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They turned Aragorn into an exile
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Plurmo
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Jan 11 2013, 11:11pm
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It was fighting talk.
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Bumblingidiot
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Jan 12 2013, 2:13am
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That's a veritable lecture on Galadriel's power and the dangers of devotion.
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Plurmo
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Jan 12 2013, 5:46am
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'ultimate xena warrior' <- *gag* loool //
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Xanaseb
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Jan 11 2013, 2:28pm
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Faaaar out
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ElendilTheShort
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Jan 11 2013, 8:45am
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Just curious...
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frodolives
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Jan 12 2013, 2:20pm
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LOTR-Council of Elrond he is shorter than Elrond & Glorfindel although this does not neccessarily make him short
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ElendilTheShort
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Jan 12 2013, 9:08pm
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I'd accept it on one condition.
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Mooseboy018
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Jan 11 2013, 8:53am
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I'll wait to see how the scene plays out
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DanielLB
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Jan 11 2013, 9:03am
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Galadriel was hardcore in the Silmarillion
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Scourge of the Stoors
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Jan 11 2013, 9:37am
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Actually, nowhere in the SIL is there any detail of exactly what Galadriel did that was "hardcore"...
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Eleniel
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Jan 11 2013, 11:05am
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In The Silmarillion as written by J.R.R. Tolkien
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jan 11 2013, 3:45pm
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Yes, but that's not "detail"...
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Eleniel
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Jan 11 2013, 3:54pm
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I knew you were going to say that! //
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jan 11 2013, 3:56pm
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It isn't the being carried alone that is the problem, as I have said in earlier postage.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 11 2013, 10:03pm
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Wait and see....
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dormouse
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Jan 11 2013, 12:32pm
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A wait and see approach would have left you with Arwen at Helm's Deep. . .
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 11 2013, 10:08pm
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No, I don't believe it would.
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dormouse
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Jan 11 2013, 11:10pm
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Arwen at Helm's Deep
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Ardamírë
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Jan 11 2013, 11:56pm
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This.
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Arannir
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Jan 12 2013, 1:41pm
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We shall see...
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Lightice
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Jan 12 2013, 5:02pm
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Yet it was important, as it derailed Sauron's initial plan. The retreat and return to Mordor was
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 5:42pm
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It's impossible that Galadriel would carry Gandalf
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RalphDamiani
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Jan 11 2013, 12:37pm
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I'm not worried
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Kullervo
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Jan 11 2013, 1:00pm
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100% Agreed.
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Arannir
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Jan 11 2013, 1:05pm
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I don't get what there is to be upset about
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dubulous
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Jan 11 2013, 1:21pm
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I really wish that the straw man of whether or not she would be capable of carrying him would stop being raised.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 11 2013, 10:29pm
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Ridiculous scene
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stoutfiles
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Jan 11 2013, 1:24pm
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Funny you say it's made up by PJ
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Arthael
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Jan 11 2013, 3:43pm
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Thank you.
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Lightice
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Jan 11 2013, 3:56pm
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It is made up by PJ
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stoutfiles
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Jan 11 2013, 4:04pm
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Why would floating be "predictable"?
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Lightice
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Jan 11 2013, 4:13pm
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This is a very good point
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DanielLB
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Jan 11 2013, 4:19pm
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But let them all be bruised, certainly only him, nor all but her.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 11 2013, 11:30pm
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That would be "he".
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Lightice
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Jan 11 2013, 11:50pm
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Galadriel is shown as otherworldly all the time
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stoutfiles
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Jan 11 2013, 4:22pm
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Just "what-ifs"?
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Lightice
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Jan 11 2013, 4:25pm
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Galadriel is shown as otherworldly
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Kullervo
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Jan 11 2013, 4:35pm
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Hundred facepalms
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Lightice
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Jan 11 2013, 1:33pm
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The scene is completely made up by PJ
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stoutfiles
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Jan 11 2013, 1:40pm
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*sigh*
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Lightice
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Jan 11 2013, 1:55pm
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Okay, fair enough...
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Eleniel
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Jan 11 2013, 2:50pm
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My ideas based on magazine snippets
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TheSexyBeard
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Jan 11 2013, 11:44pm
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Thanks for clearing the air.
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Rostron2
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Jan 11 2013, 5:33pm
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Thank you Lightice!
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Beren0nehanded
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Jan 11 2013, 2:00pm
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How wrong you are. We have seen him defeated by Saruman, and placed in dire straits
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 11 2013, 10:22pm
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Does not compute.
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Lightice
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Jan 11 2013, 10:38pm
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I agree....
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MorgolKing
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Jan 11 2013, 2:26pm
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There's little drama in the original Dol Guldur storyline...
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burrahobbit
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Jan 11 2013, 3:20pm
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We need to start a picket line in Wellington!
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Kassandros
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Jan 11 2013, 3:21pm
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Is this irony?
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Arannir
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Jan 11 2013, 4:26pm
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Sarcasm, not irony
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Kassandros
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Jan 11 2013, 5:34pm
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:D
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Arannir
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Jan 11 2013, 5:38pm
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Well said!
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ashonmytomatoes
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Jan 11 2013, 5:56pm
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No one is infallible
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Istaris'staffs
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Jan 11 2013, 5:14pm
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Um..
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MorgolKing
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Jan 11 2013, 5:26pm
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Why would Galadriel...
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Arannir
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Jan 11 2013, 5:36pm
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The TT movie does not show Galadriel's part in rescuing Gandalf
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Kassandros
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Jan 11 2013, 5:37pm
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That's the only thing
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Rostron2
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Jan 11 2013, 5:47pm
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Gandalf
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Nerven
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Jan 11 2013, 8:56pm
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Yes, well said, and I completely agree it's logical and plausible that she's powerful
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Rostron2
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Jan 11 2013, 9:46pm
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Exactly.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 1:56am
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Eru / Iluvatar
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sharku
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Jan 11 2013, 9:59pm
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what strikes me most about this
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Elenorflower
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Jan 11 2013, 11:40pm
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Galadriel vs The Istari
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Benevolent
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Jan 13 2013, 8:54pm
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