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Kimtc
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Jan 11 2013, 4:27pm
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I can see this confusing movie goers
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Assuming they remember that Balin was the lord of Moria when the Fellowship showed up there, and that it was his tomb that Gimli was standing on (which they very well may not), this is the one plot jump that will probably never be explained to them (unless old Bilbo does some sort of epilogue wrap-up, like a "where are they now" sort of thing, which would be weird). And since movie Balin seems like the sharpest pencil in the dwarf box, it does seem like a strange move (given that he isn't all fired up about the Erebor quest).
Because it'd make Balin's decision to retake Moria seem absurd. The compressed timeline makes this more problematic, but as far as I remember, I don't think Tolkien ever satisfactorily explained this. Not in any way that'd work on film, at least.
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question about the Moria flashback
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ghost_matt
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Jan 11 2013, 12:37pm
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Check out - Awakening and third age
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imin
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Jan 11 2013, 12:50pm
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Film vs. book
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TFP
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Jan 11 2013, 1:27pm
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Dain saw the Balrog
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stoutfiles
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Jan 11 2013, 1:30pm
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This never would have worked in the movie
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Kassandros
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Jan 11 2013, 3:05pm
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It was absurd
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stoutfiles
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Jan 11 2013, 3:34pm
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Poor Balin!
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DanielLB
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Jan 11 2013, 3:41pm
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I'm never going to see the discovery of Balins tomb in FOTR the same again
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Azog
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Jan 12 2013, 8:23pm
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Agreed.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 9:01pm
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valiant? foolish?
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TFP
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Jan 11 2013, 4:07pm
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I'll add to that.
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Macfeast
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Jan 11 2013, 4:53pm
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Exactly. Exactly. And, as I say in another post, I think it possible that the defeat of Smaug, a victory beyond rational hope
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 3:18am
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I can see this confusing movie goers
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Kimtc
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Jan 11 2013, 4:27pm
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Movie goers die fast. Balin is Balin. And the Balrog is missing.
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xxxyyy
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Jan 11 2013, 4:48pm
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Gandalf doesn't know there's a Balrog
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stoutfiles
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Jan 11 2013, 6:25pm
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Does anyone know how many went with Balin when he went back?
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Kimtc
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Jan 11 2013, 6:36pm
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The known Dwarves that went with him are:
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DanielLB
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Jan 11 2013, 6:42pm
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Thanks--I wondered about that.
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Kimtc
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Jan 11 2013, 6:59pm
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I like that... but what about movie Gandalf?
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xxxyyy
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Jan 11 2013, 10:44pm
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That isn't true in the films. In the movie timeline he DEFINITELY knows there is a Balrog.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 3:14am
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On this much, at least, I think you and I entirely agree
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 13 2013, 12:47am
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Are we thinking...
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Rostron2
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Jan 11 2013, 5:01pm
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I think there is every chance...
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TheBladeGlowsBlue
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Jan 11 2013, 11:44pm
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But why are we going back to Moria with Balin?
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Rostron2
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Jan 11 2013, 11:50pm
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because...
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TheBladeGlowsBlue
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Jan 12 2013, 5:47am
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And, again, the best way to handle this, without a fast forward, is through hinting and looking back
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 6:42am
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Because Moria has been brought into the films. At least, that is my rationale for
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 13 2013, 1:08am
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I don't think we know how bound to a solid walking form Balrog's were.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 13 2013, 12:55am
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