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Lorien
Jan 11 2013, 4:07pm
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Just as absurd as Thorin and a company of dwarves, a wizard, and a hobbit retaking Erebor from Smaug. Sometimes you luck out, sometimes you don't. Gandalf remarked that the expedition to retake Moria was valiant but foolish. yeah - i always read it as a combination of: (1) perhaps a hope that the 'strange good fortune' of the Erebor quest would be repeated; (2) perhaps some ignorance about what Durin's Bane had actually been [e.g. very possibly not an immortal Maia - perhaps it had died] or hope that it might have moved away - after all, why would it just be sitting & waiting there for so long?; (3) a miscalculation of risk vs. reward... e.g. generally returning to the Tolkien theme that certain 'precious' treasure [e.g. the treasure hoard at Erebor, the ring, the silmarils,...] sometimes make people do daft stuff - here the hope that they'd be able to dig for mithril again was too tempting... plus of course Moria, rather than Erebor, was their real ancestral home.
(This post was edited by entmaiden on Jan 11 2013, 4:17pm)
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question about the Moria flashback
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ghost_matt
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Jan 11 2013, 12:37pm
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Check out - Awakening and third age
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imin
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Jan 11 2013, 12:50pm
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Film vs. book
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TFP
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Jan 11 2013, 1:27pm
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Dain saw the Balrog
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stoutfiles
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Jan 11 2013, 1:30pm
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This never would have worked in the movie
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Kassandros
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Jan 11 2013, 3:05pm
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It was absurd
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stoutfiles
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Jan 11 2013, 3:34pm
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Poor Balin!
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DanielLB
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Jan 11 2013, 3:41pm
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I'm never going to see the discovery of Balins tomb in FOTR the same again
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Azog
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Jan 12 2013, 8:23pm
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Agreed.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 9:01pm
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valiant? foolish?
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TFP
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Jan 11 2013, 4:07pm
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I'll add to that.
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Macfeast
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Jan 11 2013, 4:53pm
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Exactly. Exactly. And, as I say in another post, I think it possible that the defeat of Smaug, a victory beyond rational hope
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 3:18am
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I can see this confusing movie goers
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Kimtc
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Jan 11 2013, 4:27pm
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Movie goers die fast. Balin is Balin. And the Balrog is missing.
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xxxyyy
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Jan 11 2013, 4:48pm
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Gandalf doesn't know there's a Balrog
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stoutfiles
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Jan 11 2013, 6:25pm
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Does anyone know how many went with Balin when he went back?
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Kimtc
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Jan 11 2013, 6:36pm
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The known Dwarves that went with him are:
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DanielLB
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Jan 11 2013, 6:42pm
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Thanks--I wondered about that.
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Kimtc
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Jan 11 2013, 6:59pm
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I like that... but what about movie Gandalf?
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xxxyyy
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Jan 11 2013, 10:44pm
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That isn't true in the films. In the movie timeline he DEFINITELY knows there is a Balrog.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 3:14am
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On this much, at least, I think you and I entirely agree
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 13 2013, 12:47am
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Are we thinking...
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Rostron2
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Jan 11 2013, 5:01pm
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I think there is every chance...
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TheBladeGlowsBlue
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Jan 11 2013, 11:44pm
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But why are we going back to Moria with Balin?
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Rostron2
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Jan 11 2013, 11:50pm
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because...
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TheBladeGlowsBlue
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Jan 12 2013, 5:47am
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And, again, the best way to handle this, without a fast forward, is through hinting and looking back
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 12 2013, 6:42am
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Because Moria has been brought into the films. At least, that is my rationale for
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 13 2013, 1:08am
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I don't think we know how bound to a solid walking form Balrog's were.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 13 2013, 12:55am
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