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Jan 10 2013, 2:17am
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lots of that is not related to the hobbit
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a poster on here created a thread of all the things which were even remotely related to the hobbit from the appendices, it was very thorough and well done.
It doesnt come to 200 or 160 pages though, sorry. Many pages are on writing and family histories, kings of rohan etc. These dont have much to do with the hobbit other than this particular member of the took family was alive at the time of the hobbit.
It is nothing more than a bare framework on which one can get a sense of a larger history but that is things accounting for the first age and second age such as appendix A.
There is nothing in there that says things like the changes that were made in the film so dont pretend that there are. It is a framework for the time frame of the hobbit nothing more. Seriously it doesnt all involve the hobbit just because it is about ME, lol.
Unfinished tales would have been more useful for the film makers in my opinion.
So at the end of it, there is less than 160 pages, maybe more than 20 (i just thought u had perhaps mis typed the 200) but certainly less than 160, sorry, that was more just some PR by PJ et al.
My original point was if they had stuck to a two film format they wouldnt need the chase scenes and azog being annoyed on top of weathertop as they simply wouldnt have had time to do so.
This was the format they had been working on for a long time, when they changed it they realised they had shot lots of film and PJ felt they could make it work as three films - some scenes which would have ended up on the cutting room floor then made it in as the film couldnt just be the same length as the two film version would have been minus any parts of the movie after a certain point (carrock), people would have felt its a right rip off for doing that. So they had to expand the story from what they originally had intended, for me i take that to be padding it out - you can take it however you like, the fact is they had to add scenes to the movie to get it to length, otherwise as two films they would have been about 5 hours long each.
It comes down to you thinking Azog is a good character and is to the betterment of the story where as i think if they had just stuck to two films the series would have been better - though as i said in my original post now it is three films (obviously, lol) i do think they needed some created tension as they had to take longer to get places - something which in the hobbit doesnt happen - its from one place to the next.
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"All Good Stories Deserve A Little Embellishment"
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 9 2013, 4:06am
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Brilliant post
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Ave Moria
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Jan 9 2013, 5:47am
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What about the trolls?
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Fredeghar Wayfarer
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Jan 9 2013, 8:33am
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That's a good point about the Trolls...
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Eleniel
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Jan 9 2013, 10:41am
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Backstory in a film
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arithmancer
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Jan 9 2013, 1:26pm
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What you say about Azog is a really good point
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BoromirOfWinterfell
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Jan 9 2013, 10:43am
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This is my main problem with the film...
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jtarkey
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Jan 9 2013, 11:22am
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Slow moving?
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pulpfiction16
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Jan 9 2013, 12:58pm
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Which characters?
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arithmancer
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Jan 9 2013, 1:31pm
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When we see the Ring fall
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Loresilme
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Jan 9 2013, 3:57pm
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Also excellent points
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Rostron2
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Jan 10 2013, 12:23am
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If they had kept it to two films
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imin
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Jan 10 2013, 12:56am
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Padding
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Ave Moria
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Jan 10 2013, 1:24am
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200 pages?
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imin
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Jan 10 2013, 1:40am
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I don't want to bicker
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Ave Moria
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Jan 10 2013, 2:03am
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lots of that is not related to the hobbit
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imin
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Jan 10 2013, 2:17am
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Time to flesh out Tolkien's themes
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 10 2013, 6:22pm
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I think those scenes could have survived in a two film series
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imin
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Jan 10 2013, 10:25pm
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Neat thoughts!
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Roheryn
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Jan 9 2013, 9:59am
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Are you the Tolkien Professor??
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nobofthepony
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Jan 9 2013, 2:06pm
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The Arkenstone
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 9 2013, 2:22pm
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All excellent observations
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Loresilme
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Jan 9 2013, 4:02pm
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Book themes lost in the film adaptation
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burrahobbit
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Jan 9 2013, 3:16pm
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Enchantment
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 9 2013, 6:36pm
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Agreed on all points
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Rostron2
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Jan 9 2013, 4:57pm
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Great post. Thanks. //
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Compa_Mighty
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Jan 9 2013, 6:38pm
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Great points focusing on the positive
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percy
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Jan 10 2013, 12:12am
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This is
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Ave Moria
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Jan 10 2013, 1:31am
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Most EXCELLENT post!!!!!! //
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Tintallė
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Jan 10 2013, 5:06am
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Gollum suggests riddles first in movie and book
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Nira
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Jan 10 2013, 1:17am
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Good post
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imin
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Jan 10 2013, 1:55am
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Wouldn't Azog have been in it with two movies, anyway?
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Kimtc
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Jan 10 2013, 3:31am
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Yeah he most likely would have been in it anyway
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imin
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Jan 10 2013, 3:34am
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A beautiful positioning
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Michelle Johnston
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Jan 11 2013, 2:37am
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Radagast represents Tolkien's conservation theme.
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 11 2013, 3:48pm
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Wonderful post
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willowing
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Jan 11 2013, 11:19pm
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And to Gandalf's "He's here."
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Yva
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Jan 11 2013, 11:36pm
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Sound effects
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willowing
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Jan 14 2013, 8:03am
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**I've Gathered Geeky List Info from this post :) THANKS ALL! //
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 18 2013, 1:27pm
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