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Ave Moria
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Jan 9 2013, 5:47am


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First, I would agree with your list, particularly Thorin and Azog.

The people that complain about Azog seem to forget a few things.

1. Without Azog pursuing the Company, the quest is a safe little hike up until The Goblin Conflict. Where is the drama there? The stakes fall considerably when there is nothing hunting the group. With Azog ever on their heels, as you say, urgency is injected into the story, and the general theme of hatred between the Dwarves and the Orcs is enhanced and fleshed out. This theme is true to the book, and actually strengthens the story.

Again, I'll repeat myself. If Azog was not there, the Company's journey would be essentially a scenic adventure most of the way and would jar with the warlike atmosphere that comes later. For The Hobbit to tonally relate to Rings, we do need a sense of drama, and even a hint of doom, because after all, the ring is central to the Hobbit in many ways.

2. The other small changes you mention add greatly to the overall story/film. An example would be the fact that they show Gollum lose the ring. The ring is given a gravity (literal and metaphorical) when we see it fall, and the impact of the scene in terms of the sound design, shot composition and so forth, ties the doom of the ring into Rings perfectly. Small additions go a long way, and as long as it is true to the spirit of the book, then fantastic.

For me, a few extra things:

Bolg getting wounded by Dwalin.

This sets up his anger towards the Dwarves as he is not only disfigured and maimed, but has to stitch his face back together with steel and scrap. This adds to the later battle drama, and creates more of a sense of importance for Bolg and his connection to the company. In this small way, he is much more than just another big Orc.

Galadriel offering aid to Gandalf sets up the battle of Dol Guldur in a subtle but large way, as well as humanizing her to the audience in a way that we can relate to (always being there for your friends). Plus, her distrust of Saruman played subtly with framing etc, foreshadows later events. Also, the fact that she allows the company to continue after learning of Gandalf's scheme (with a knowing smile) re-enforces their bond and her great sense of perspective and compassion.

Thorin's command of Fili and Kili in the Warg battle near Rivendell foreshadows their style of fighting together and their particular strengths in war. The scene of the Moria flashback also establishes their respect of Thorin and their need to please him which will factor in later.

Lastly, the emotional catharsis of the Carrock scene (though added) is excellent. Not only does it show that Thorin is growing, by extending a warmer, more trusting side of himself to Bilbo, but that he is more accepting of outsiders, which says alot from a nomadic and hidden race that trusts almost nobody.

Lastly, this warmth will make the betrayel of the Arkenstone and Thorin's fall to Dragon-sickness all the more impactful.

That's a few things off the top of my head.

-In the Darkness, a torch we hold-

Subject User Time
"All Good Stories Deserve A Little Embellishment" Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Jan 9 2013, 4:06am
    Brilliant post Ave Moria Send a private message to Ave Moria Jan 9 2013, 5:47am
        What about the trolls? Fredeghar Wayfarer Send a private message to Fredeghar Wayfarer Jan 9 2013, 8:33am
            That's a good point about the Trolls... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Jan 9 2013, 10:41am
                Backstory in a film arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jan 9 2013, 1:26pm
        What you say about Azog is a really good point BoromirOfWinterfell Send a private message to BoromirOfWinterfell Jan 9 2013, 10:43am
        This is my main problem with the film... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Jan 9 2013, 11:22am
            Slow moving? pulpfiction16 Send a private message to pulpfiction16 Jan 9 2013, 12:58pm
            Which characters? arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jan 9 2013, 1:31pm
        When we see the Ring fall Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 9 2013, 3:57pm
        Also excellent points Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 10 2013, 12:23am
            If they had kept it to two films imin Send a private message to imin Jan 10 2013, 12:56am
                Padding Ave Moria Send a private message to Ave Moria Jan 10 2013, 1:24am
                    200 pages? imin Send a private message to imin Jan 10 2013, 1:40am
                        I don't want to bicker Ave Moria Send a private message to Ave Moria Jan 10 2013, 2:03am
                            lots of that is not related to the hobbit imin Send a private message to imin Jan 10 2013, 2:17am
                Time to flesh out Tolkien's themes Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Jan 10 2013, 6:22pm
                    I think those scenes could have survived in a two film series imin Send a private message to imin Jan 10 2013, 10:25pm
    Neat thoughts! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 9 2013, 9:59am
    Are you the Tolkien Professor?? nobofthepony Send a private message to nobofthepony Jan 9 2013, 2:06pm
    The Arkenstone Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Jan 9 2013, 2:22pm
        All excellent observations Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 9 2013, 4:02pm
    Book themes lost in the film adaptation burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Jan 9 2013, 3:16pm
        Enchantment Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Jan 9 2013, 6:36pm
    Agreed on all points Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 9 2013, 4:57pm
    Great post. Thanks. // Compa_Mighty Send a private message to Compa_Mighty Jan 9 2013, 6:38pm
    Great points focusing on the positive percy Send a private message to percy Jan 10 2013, 12:12am
        This is Ave Moria Send a private message to Ave Moria Jan 10 2013, 1:31am
        Most EXCELLENT post!!!!!! // Tintallė Send a private message to Tintallė Jan 10 2013, 5:06am
    Gollum suggests riddles first in movie and book Nira Send a private message to Nira Jan 10 2013, 1:17am
    Good post imin Send a private message to imin Jan 10 2013, 1:55am
        Wouldn't Azog have been in it with two movies, anyway? Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 10 2013, 3:31am
            Yeah he most likely would have been in it anyway imin Send a private message to imin Jan 10 2013, 3:34am
    A beautiful positioning Michelle Johnston Jan 11 2013, 2:37am
        Radagast represents Tolkien's conservation theme. Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Jan 11 2013, 3:48pm
    Wonderful post willowing Send a private message to willowing Jan 11 2013, 11:19pm
        And to Gandalf's "He's here." Yva Send a private message to Yva Jan 11 2013, 11:36pm
    Sound effects willowing Send a private message to willowing Jan 14 2013, 8:03am
    **I've Gathered Geeky List Info from this post :) THANKS ALL! // grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Jan 18 2013, 1:27pm

 
 
 

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