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Ave Moria
Rivendell
Jan 9 2013, 5:47am
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First, I would agree with your list, particularly Thorin and Azog.
The people that complain about Azog seem to forget a few things.
1. Without Azog pursuing the Company, the quest is a safe little hike up until The Goblin Conflict. Where is the drama there? The stakes fall considerably when there is nothing hunting the group. With Azog ever on their heels, as you say, urgency is injected into the story, and the general theme of hatred between the Dwarves and the Orcs is enhanced and fleshed out. This theme is true to the book, and actually strengthens the story.
Again, I'll repeat myself. If Azog was not there, the Company's journey would be essentially a scenic adventure most of the way and would jar with the warlike atmosphere that comes later. For The Hobbit to tonally relate to Rings, we do need a sense of drama, and even a hint of doom, because after all, the ring is central to the Hobbit in many ways.
2. The other small changes you mention add greatly to the overall story/film. An example would be the fact that they show Gollum lose the ring. The ring is given a gravity (literal and metaphorical) when we see it fall, and the impact of the scene in terms of the sound design, shot composition and so forth, ties the doom of the ring into Rings perfectly. Small additions go a long way, and as long as it is true to the spirit of the book, then fantastic.
For me, a few extra things:
Bolg getting wounded by Dwalin.
This sets up his anger towards the Dwarves as he is not only disfigured and maimed, but has to stitch his face back together with steel and scrap. This adds to the later battle drama, and creates more of a sense of importance for Bolg and his connection to the company. In this small way, he is much more than just another big Orc.
Galadriel offering aid to Gandalf sets up the battle of Dol Guldur in a subtle but large way, as well as humanizing her to the audience in a way that we can relate to (always being there for your friends). Plus, her distrust of Saruman played subtly with framing etc, foreshadows later events. Also, the fact that she allows the company to continue after learning of Gandalf's scheme (with a knowing smile) re-enforces their bond and her great sense of perspective and compassion.
Thorin's command of Fili and Kili in the Warg battle near Rivendell foreshadows their style of fighting together and their particular strengths in war. The scene of the Moria flashback also establishes their respect of Thorin and their need to please him which will factor in later.
Lastly, the emotional catharsis of the Carrock scene (though added) is excellent. Not only does it show that Thorin is growing, by extending a warmer, more trusting side of himself to Bilbo, but that he is more accepting of outsiders, which says alot from a nomadic and hidden race that trusts almost nobody.
Lastly, this warmth will make the betrayel of the Arkenstone and Thorin's fall to Dragon-sickness all the more impactful.
That's a few things off the top of my head.
-In the Darkness, a torch we hold-
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"All Good Stories Deserve A Little Embellishment"
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 9 2013, 4:06am
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Brilliant post
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Ave Moria
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Jan 9 2013, 5:47am
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What about the trolls?
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Fredeghar Wayfarer
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Jan 9 2013, 8:33am
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That's a good point about the Trolls...
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Eleniel
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Jan 9 2013, 10:41am
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Backstory in a film
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arithmancer
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Jan 9 2013, 1:26pm
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What you say about Azog is a really good point
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BoromirOfWinterfell
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Jan 9 2013, 10:43am
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This is my main problem with the film...
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jtarkey
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Jan 9 2013, 11:22am
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Slow moving?
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pulpfiction16
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Jan 9 2013, 12:58pm
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Which characters?
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arithmancer
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Jan 9 2013, 1:31pm
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When we see the Ring fall
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Loresilme
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Jan 9 2013, 3:57pm
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Also excellent points
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Rostron2
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Jan 10 2013, 12:23am
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If they had kept it to two films
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imin
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Jan 10 2013, 12:56am
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Padding
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Ave Moria
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Jan 10 2013, 1:24am
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200 pages?
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imin
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Jan 10 2013, 1:40am
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I don't want to bicker
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Ave Moria
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Jan 10 2013, 2:03am
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lots of that is not related to the hobbit
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imin
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Jan 10 2013, 2:17am
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Time to flesh out Tolkien's themes
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 10 2013, 6:22pm
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I think those scenes could have survived in a two film series
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imin
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Jan 10 2013, 10:25pm
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Neat thoughts!
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Roheryn
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Jan 9 2013, 9:59am
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Are you the Tolkien Professor??
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nobofthepony
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Jan 9 2013, 2:06pm
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The Arkenstone
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 9 2013, 2:22pm
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All excellent observations
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Loresilme
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Jan 9 2013, 4:02pm
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Book themes lost in the film adaptation
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burrahobbit
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Jan 9 2013, 3:16pm
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Enchantment
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 9 2013, 6:36pm
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Agreed on all points
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Rostron2
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Jan 9 2013, 4:57pm
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Great post. Thanks. //
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Compa_Mighty
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Jan 9 2013, 6:38pm
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Great points focusing on the positive
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percy
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Jan 10 2013, 12:12am
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This is
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Ave Moria
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Jan 10 2013, 1:31am
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Most EXCELLENT post!!!!!! //
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Tintallė
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Jan 10 2013, 5:06am
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Gollum suggests riddles first in movie and book
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Nira
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Jan 10 2013, 1:17am
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Good post
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imin
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Jan 10 2013, 1:55am
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Wouldn't Azog have been in it with two movies, anyway?
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Kimtc
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Jan 10 2013, 3:31am
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Yeah he most likely would have been in it anyway
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imin
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Jan 10 2013, 3:34am
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A beautiful positioning
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Michelle Johnston
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Jan 11 2013, 2:37am
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Radagast represents Tolkien's conservation theme.
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Black Breathalizer
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Jan 11 2013, 3:48pm
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Wonderful post
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willowing
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Jan 11 2013, 11:19pm
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And to Gandalf's "He's here."
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Yva
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Jan 11 2013, 11:36pm
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Sound effects
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willowing
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Jan 14 2013, 8:03am
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**I've Gathered Geeky List Info from this post :) THANKS ALL! //
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 18 2013, 1:27pm
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