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Eldineth
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Jan 7, 11:11pm


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First of all... [In reply to] Can't Post
I would like to apologize for my english. I'm not a native speaker, and I have a hard time with vocabulary and spelling.
I have been following TheOneRing forums for a while, and I usually don't post many things, but I couldn't resist to this. The Valenqueta is what actually got me on The Silmarillion.

"How did you feel the first time you ever arrived at this chapter and discovered it was a long list?"

I really enjoy Tolkien's descriptions at this chapter, though I don't think they are completely necessary. Some valar and valier do not play important roles on the later history of Middle-Earth (Nessa or Námo, for example), but their descriptions make a more complete picture of things like distribution of power and "duties" were at the beggening of the world.
When I got to Valenqueta I also gave Tolkien much more credit for his detailing (what I particularly like).

"How do you react to authors deploying so much invented terminology?"

I have nothing against authors who use invented terminology, after all, we are not reading a science book and they are trying to describe things that don't exist in our "world". The problem is when the author uses to much invented terminology and don't explain it meanings or origins, he just throws the terms on you and hopes you'll memorize them.
In Tolkien's case, I think that he explains well most of the terms he uses, mainly in The Silmarillion. When I first read LOTR I felt like at some points he used invented terminology and didn't explain them enough, but more than half of those terms are explained at The Silmarillion.
And I'll not compare Tolkien to other authors, that would require a proficiency in English that I don't have.

"The Valar have gender, but we’re told in Ainulindale that they can alter their appearance like clothes and similar comments are made in Valaquenta. Do you reckon they are stuck being male/female, as humans are?"
At my point of view, being male or female is in their personality. Is something like this: I believe that a valar or valier appearance is a reflection of their personalities, and so are their gender. But I don't know if their personalities are immutable, so I can't say if they can change their gender.

"The Valar come in pairs and are mostly married (a male Valar and a female Valier). Is that significant?"
Hm. Maybe. The fact a character is married or not can show us if he is the kind of person who likes "sharing". But I can think in another meaning right now.

"Melkor is not married, and is without female equivalent. Is this significant? "
As I said before, it can mean that he does not like to sharing power, and do not listen to others advice. Like he was "omnipotent".
And I laughed with your Melkorina theory! Laugh

Subject User Time
The Silmarillion discussion: Valaquenta noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 7, 12:58pm
    No turning back CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 7, 1:35pm
        thank you! telain Send a private message to telain Jan 7, 2:45pm
            link to our earlier discussion of Ainulindale noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 7, 2:54pm
                just posted there... and thank you!// telain Send a private message to telain Jan 8, 6:12pm
    I look forward to your discussion post... telain Send a private message to telain Jan 7, 2:43pm
        Experts definitely not needed! CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 7, 3:24pm
    A note on book "Arda Reconstructed" by Voronwe the Faithful CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 7, 4:36pm
        "DO keep up, Samwise Gamgee!" :)- Nah, you've been great// noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 7, 4:39pm
        I have that book as well. Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jan 7, 5:50pm
        That makes me quite happy! Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jan 8, 4:32pm
    Oops, I seem to have started.... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 7, 5:22pm
        ...and well, one thing led to another... (not for serious readers) noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 7, 5:34pm
        Great post! ; mnemonic CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 7, 8:16pm
            An org chart for the Valar noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 7, 9:18pm
                Ok, this is just me quite at random entering the world of the Reading Room, but.. Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Jan 12, 1:01pm
                    I see what you mean noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 12, 5:23pm
                        Ah! of course. Sorry, thought the lines meant that they came about -by- Eru ;) // Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Jan 12, 8:58pm
                        every time I see "org chart", I read "orc chart!"// telain Send a private message to telain Jan 13, 11:42pm
            Nice mnemonics, curiousG // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 8, 6:36pm
            Mandos: Hand of Fate telain Send a private message to telain Jan 10, 1:38am
            *mods up* // Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jan 12, 5:29am
        "The Valaquenta underneath the bough, a squishy chair, Corvoisier, and thou, lurking beside me in the Reading Room." squire Send a private message to squire Jan 7, 9:09pm
            ...this forum is world enough? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 7, 9:35pm
        First of all... Eldineth Send a private message to Eldineth Jan 7, 11:11pm
            Eldineth, I would never have guessed from your post that you were not a native English speaker! Well-written post.! // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 8, 6:34pm
                Thank you, noWizardme! Eldineth Send a private message to Eldineth Jan 9, 1:11am
            Your English is terrific! // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 10, 4:38am
                Thank you! Eldineth Send a private message to Eldineth Jan 10, 4:26pm
        I agree with Squire about the Melkorina Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jan 7, 11:21pm
        I think this is where I gave up on my first reading… Mim Send a private message to Mim Jan 7, 11:29pm
            The Shadow of Your Posts noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 8, 1:56pm
        Hello! I'm new here and am quite happy to find that I managed to arrive when an electronic Silmarillion-reading party is getting started! Gwenhwyfar Send a private message to Gwenhwyfar Jan 9, 6:33am
            Neat idea about Nienna and Melkor squire Send a private message to squire Jan 9, 11:23am
                Evil bachelors CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 9, 1:50pm
                    "obsidian bunker" and other matters... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 9, 5:43pm
                    No evil women Mim Send a private message to Mim Jan 9, 5:49pm
                        There was also Thuringwethil DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jan 9, 6:04pm
                        Females at large noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 9, 6:22pm
                            Sure... Mim Send a private message to Mim Jan 9, 7:10pm
                                Sorry, I'm probably dragging you off subject... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 9, 8:13pm
                                Amazorcs? telain Send a private message to telain Jan 10, 12:53am
                                    No beards, but . . . . Gwenhwyfar Send a private message to Gwenhwyfar Jan 10, 2:48am
                                        Married gods and single heroes noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 10, 2:55pm
                                        Good point. Eldineth Send a private message to Eldineth Jan 10, 4:56pm
                                    Surely Orcs are a construction of Sauron? The Gardener Send a private message to The Gardener Jan 10, 10:40am
                                        Perhaps... Mim Send a private message to Mim Jan 10, 1:35pm
                                        You assume wrongly... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jan 10, 4:16pm
                                            Young goblins as a gollum-snack; good point. Though just to be awkward.... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 10, 4:37pm
                                                Orc sex CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 10, 5:59pm
                                                    You probably just greatly increased the number of hits this thread will get from search engines :) // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 10, 6:11pm
                                                    Orc domesticity Gwenhwyfar Send a private message to Gwenhwyfar Jan 10, 7:54pm
                                                        Great point: "really evil of heart" = incompatible with babies noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 10, 10:08pm
                                                            Yay for electronic magic! Gwenhwyfar Send a private message to Gwenhwyfar Jan 10, 11:41pm
                                                                Sam vs. the Valaquenta (stylistically I mean) noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 11, 1:27pm
                                                                    I meant "the word 'valar' appears only 3 times in the text ( not inc. appendices)" // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 11, 4:47pm
                                                                        Out of which, only two are clear references. sador Send a private message to sador Jan 17, 12:54pm
                                                                            "The Elder King" CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 17, 1:09pm
                                                                                Actually, Bilbo. sador Send a private message to sador Jan 27, 10:11pm
                                                            "light-years" away from the subject, but... telain Send a private message to telain Jan 11, 4:29pm
                                                        Wow! I did start something there! The Gardener Send a private message to The Gardener Jan 11, 6:48am
                                                        There's a lively discussion of Orc origins on this thread: http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?post=562557#562557 // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 27, 2:54pm
                                                    I just don't think Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 10, 10:23pm
                                                You still have Bolg Azog's son. // sador Send a private message to sador Jan 17, 12:51pm
                                        Wait... Eldineth Send a private message to Eldineth Jan 10, 4:25pm
                                    The reserves Mim Send a private message to Mim Jan 10, 1:29pm
                        Arien and Galadriel Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Jan 9, 6:31pm
                            Female evil... Mim Send a private message to Mim Jan 9, 7:18pm
        On Lists... beren_boy Send a private message to beren_boy Jan 9, 10:01am
            List of kings acheron Send a private message to acheron Jan 9, 1:30pm
        Male - Female - and Melkor The Gardener Send a private message to The Gardener Jan 9, 4:46pm
            Yes, I always think Elves call out to Varda the way Catholics do to Mary.// CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 10, 4:38am
        How did you feel the first time you ever arrived at this chapter and discovered it was a long list? Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 9, 6:19pm
        Varda, not starry-eyed for Melkor; on being a single Vala/ier telain Send a private message to telain Jan 10, 1:26am
            Beware the lonely CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 10, 4:36am
                Hmmm Gwenhwyfar Send a private message to Gwenhwyfar Jan 10, 5:30am
                    the importance of being social telain Send a private message to telain Jan 11, 4:51pm
        Fab discussion! Valar Rhyme for Hobbit Children hanne Send a private message to hanne Jan 14, 1:18pm
            Excellent! // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 14, 1:26pm
            Truly beautiful and excellent--thanks for posting it.// CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 14, 1:56pm
                thank you both - am happy you enjoyed! // hanne Send a private message to hanne Jan 15, 2:43am
            Mods up. sador Send a private message to sador Jan 17, 12:56pm
            Doesn't it bother anyone else... Etarre Send a private message to Etarre Jan 22, 10:17pm
                Post away- we have no "last posting date" :) // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 22, 10:26pm
                A picture of the Valar in all their might and glory? Got it. It ain't beautiful, but it is fan art squire Send a private message to squire Jan 23, 2:08am
                Pre-feminist Tolkien CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 23, 4:57pm
        Still within a fortnight of your post... sador Send a private message to sador Jan 20, 4:27pm
    the Secret Fire acheron Send a private message to acheron Jan 8, 12:27am
    The "V" Chapter--get ready for "F"s; and, more on Olorin CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 10, 4:53am
        M for Bad? The Gardener Send a private message to The Gardener Jan 10, 10:57am
    when do you want to start the next chapter? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 10, 3:42pm
    Ready for the next chapter? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jan 14, 4:31pm

 
 
 

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