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The general notion is

AinurOlorin
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Jan 4 2013, 7:52pm


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that Smaug has been quiet for 60 years, but that there was a wide span of time between the attack and Smaug's dormancy.

As to the Watchful Peace. . . that was poorly played to me. At least the 400 years aspect. I know they want to, as a nod to fans, show their recognition of The Peace lasting for about 400 years. But, in the book, it starts much earlier, and is most peaceful from the time of Gandalf's earlier visit to Dol Guldur until around the time that Deagol and Smeagol find The Ring. It would have been more accurate to just expand the length of the Peace (nothing really dramatic happens in that span anyway, all the really BIG evil moments, from Angmar's wars on Arnor and The Witch-King's eventual defeat by Arnor, Gondor, Lindon and Rivendell. . . and most especially by Glorfindel!, to the rise of The Balrog in Khazad-Dum and his slaying of Durin and exile of The Dwarves and the related flight of many of Lothlorien's Elves, to the seizing of Minas Ithil by The Nazgul, all happen in the century before The Watchful Peace begins) to a 900 year span. For one thing, it would then at least actually include the authentic Watchful Peace, and would also make it even more plausible that such ancient b(B)eings as Elrond and Saruman would think the danger long past.

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Elrond says in Rivendell: "Gandalf, for 400 years we have lived in peace: a hard-won, watchful peace."

But we know that (in the film's history) there was a huge battle between Thror's and Azog's peoples at some point after the fall of Erebor.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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The time between the fall of Erebor and The Unexpected Party easterlingchief1 Send a private message to easterlingchief1 Jan 4 2013, 7:05pm
    And what happened 400 years ago, anyway? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 4 2013, 7:18pm
        I think the "watchful peace" was after the Angmar battle, painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Jan 4 2013, 7:27pm
        The general notion is AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 4 2013, 7:52pm
            Myths vary depending on the telling percy Send a private message to percy Jan 4 2013, 8:12pm
                The Retelling of Myths: Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jan 4 2013, 10:32pm
    Does it really matter? gar-mogoth Send a private message to gar-mogoth Jan 4 2013, 7:27pm
        Not really. easterlingchief1 Send a private message to easterlingchief1 Jan 4 2013, 8:54pm
        Storywise, it may matter. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Jan 5 2013, 12:16am
    Vagueness Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 4 2013, 7:48pm
    Shouldn't Thorin appear older/greyer then? Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jan 4 2013, 9:09pm
    Book vs. film Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jan 5 2013, 6:48pm

 
 
 

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