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Ardamírë
Valinor
Jan 2, 5:15pm
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The Music of the Ainur lives on in water, especially the Sea, and the Ainur considered water better than earth and air.
You then ask why Tolkien chose Manwe over Ulmo. But since Tolkien used all the waters of Middle-earth as Ulmo's domain, that includes the rivers and streams and pools in Beleriand. And if Tolkien wanted the god of the sea to be able to communicate with the Noldor through these, then that necessitates that Ulmo not be Chief Vala. He can't be rebel and chief. So I guess I'd say the story does dictate that it cannot be Ulmo.
I quite like your comparison of Ulmo to Gandalf. And really, I see him very much the same, only on a grander, more majestic scale, and more rebellious against the Valar rather than their emissary.
There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).
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The Silmarillion discussion: Ainulindale
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CuriousG
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Dec 31 2012, 3:38am
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Thanks for kicking this off, CuriousG!
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Ardamírë
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Dec 31 2012, 4:14am
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Why not sing the Aunur?
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noWizardme
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Dec 31 2012, 10:22pm
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Tolkien seemed to have the same sentiments about evil
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CuriousG
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Dec 31 2012, 10:31pm
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Where it starts...
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noWizardme
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Dec 31 2012, 10:53pm
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Nice--thought to music to sound
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CuriousG
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Jan 1, 10:30pm
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Ulmo
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Ardamírë
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Jan 2, 5:15pm
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Sorry, I wasn't clear
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CuriousG
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Jan 2, 6:37pm
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Well, no...
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Ardamírë
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Jan 4, 12:41am
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Regarding Ulmo
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Cyberia
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Jan 2, 8:09am
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I actually don't see the similarity
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Ardamírë
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Jan 2, 5:19pm
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saying Eä
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Oiotári
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Jan 12, 9:32pm
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Hark to those herald angels singing
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squire
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Jan 1, 2:35pm
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Excellent point
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CuriousG
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Jan 1, 10:04pm
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Stop me if you've heard this one, O Muse
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squire
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Jan 2, 7:19pm
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Excellent insight--many thanks! //
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CuriousG
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Jan 2, 8:14pm
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Another sung creation- the Kalevala
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noWizardme
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Jan 3, 4:54pm
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Creation is song
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The Gardener
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Jan 5, 6:00am
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Where's Eve? Or Varda?
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CuriousG
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Jan 5, 7:40am
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No women were mentioned by name
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Oiotári
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Jan 12, 8:45pm
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Worship of Creation is song
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squire
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Jan 5, 2:49pm
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Should have read the brochure?
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noWizardme
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Jan 1, 7:14pm
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It does strike me every time I read it
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CuriousG
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Jan 1, 9:25pm
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If we read that passage, perhaps it is not so clear
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Oiotári
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Jan 12, 9:02pm
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I wonder about Tulkas leaving
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CuriousG
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Jan 16, 3:30am
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Modern myth from modern things
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Mim
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Jan 1, 7:42pm
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Thanks--great points, especially
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CuriousG
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Jan 1, 9:21pm
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myth and music (and Manwe)
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telain
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Jan 8, 6:11pm
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I wonder if the creation myth of Arda was analogous to
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Plurmo
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Jan 2, 3:26am
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He was not far off of reality either............
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Eruonen
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Jan 4, 9:31pm
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Tolkien's Representation of the Trinity
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KingTurgon
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Jan 4, 9:45pm
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Jesus is Jesus
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Ardamírë
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Jan 4, 10:12pm
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For JRRT the events of ME were prior to
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Eruonen
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Jan 4, 11:18pm
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Gandalf, in some ways
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CuriousG
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Jan 4, 11:32pm
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Allegories - Contrast to The Lord of the Rings?
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noWizardme
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Jan 5, 9:03am
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Earlier post
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KingTurgon
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Jan 7, 8:25pm
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Jesus
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 6, 5:56pm
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Interesting idea- glad you posted it //
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noWizardme
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Jan 6, 7:09pm
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I know this isn't really a religion thread, but...
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Ardamírë
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Jan 6, 8:02pm
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Maybe "reluctant" isn't quite right,
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 6, 8:41pm
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Ah that passage
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Ardamírë
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Jan 6, 11:20pm
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Everyone's welcome to join in
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CuriousG
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Jan 6, 9:14pm
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Thank you, and my apologies to Ardamire
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 6, 10:19pm
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Without wishing to curtail this discussion- what are our plans for the next chapter?
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noWizardme
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Jan 6, 10:15pm
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We can take turns. Whoever wants to do the Valaquenta, just say so, and post when you'd like.//
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CuriousG
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Jan 6, 10:28pm
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Didn't get my edit inserted in time. More info:
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CuriousG
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Jan 6, 10:51pm
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I will take the Reading Room to Valaquenta, though I... do not know the way. :)
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noWizardme
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Jan 7, 1:02pm
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A Beautiful Creation
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 6, 10:24pm
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I looove this "chapter"
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Oiotári
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Jan 11, 6:20am
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Good point about no one to sing to
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CuriousG
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Jan 16, 3:28am
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Late for the party
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sador
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Jan 16, 10:52am
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