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Great question -- now where is Phibbus?

SirDennisC
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Jan 1 2013, 8:38pm


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Great question -- now where is Phibbus? [In reply to] Can't Post

Childgered is a word I might better had left for a future MEVC... but hey, this party is just getting started!

Tolkien's glossary is particularly helpful here in that it has listings for childgered as well as gere(d), childgered being a compound of "child" (OE ċild meaning "child") and "gere" (Old Norse gervi for gear, armour, behaviour, fashion et al.). In short the straightest translation is "child-like" or perhaps "childish."

Now, Tolkien glosses childgered as "boyish, merry" which I believe is in keeping with the light-heartedness of the passage. However, according to the authors of "Judging Camelot: Changing Critical Perspectives in Sir Gawain and the Green Knight" the Gawain poet's use of childgered has been a source of debate for some years. The debate, as might be expected, stems from the word's ambiguity. This passage gets to the heart of it I think:

"While critics writing during the 1950s and 1960s weighed the moral gravity of Camelot, a similar preoccupation fails to arise in the 1970s. Patricia Moody ("Childgered Arthur"), for instance, explores the varied meanings of the word childgered, ranging from "boyish, merry" to the notion of "restlessness." Such a term in Gawain, Moddy claims, invites ambiguity, a hallmark of this elusive romance."

... yes, great question dernwyn (I hope I haven't crossposted with anyone in the time it's taken to make this response).

Smile

* From: Lupak, Alan ed. New Directions in Arthurian Studies. Cambridge, DS Brewer: 2002


(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Jan 1 2013, 8:47pm)

Subject User Time
A Middle English Vocabulary Challenge -- Nowel Edition SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Dec 22 2012, 6:09am
    I'll give it a go ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 22 2012, 8:01am
    Tricky.. geordie Send a private message to geordie Dec 22 2012, 9:27am
    Aren't the nowels Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Dec 22 2012, 7:45pm
        Speaking of "y" SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jan 1 2013, 11:09pm
            Well, if "i" and "y" were interchangeable at some point Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Jan 2 2013, 12:12am
                i, y, j, u and v in Dutch and English Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Jan 2 2013, 6:19am
                I think it's a spelling difference acheron Send a private message to acheron Jan 2 2013, 5:36pm
                    Spelling anarchy could be fun CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 2 2013, 6:42pm
    Gawd, not this again Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Dec 22 2012, 7:53pm
    Tough one this time! Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Dec 23 2012, 1:05am
    A Nowel present - a quiz! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Dec 23 2012, 5:36am
    I'll give it a go. Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Dec 23 2012, 6:25am
        About answers and bonus words :) SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Dec 23 2012, 8:40pm
            OK, here are my guesses. Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Dec 23 2012, 9:28pm
            Even more? dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Dec 24 2012, 7:11pm
                Such lines are what makes it an "alliterative poem" SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Dec 25 2012, 3:19am
            bonus words Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Dec 25 2012, 3:03am
    Are two guesses allowed? Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Dec 25 2012, 2:40am
        Did you see the second list Liss? SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Dec 25 2012, 3:03am
            How do you like my line party costume? Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Dec 25 2012, 3:08am
                Great answer! ... and ... wow. O.O // SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Dec 25 2012, 3:23am
    Answers -- don't peek if you still want to play. SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Dec 25 2012, 5:16pm
        Lots of fun, SirDennisC! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Dec 26 2012, 11:25pm
    Bonus list answers -- don't peek if you still want to play! SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Dec 25 2012, 5:46pm
        j wasn't a letter in Middle English acheron Send a private message to acheron Dec 30 2012, 3:49pm
            Further on the mysterious "ientyle" SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Dec 31 2012, 10:27pm
                "childgered"? dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jan 1 2013, 1:34pm
                    Great question -- now where is Phibbus? SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jan 1 2013, 8:38pm
                        Not likely, SirD. Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Jan 1 2013, 8:55pm
                            Often said of Tolkien in the Reading Room - SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jan 1 2013, 10:36pm

 
 
 

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