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SirDennisC
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Dec 31 2012, 10:27pm
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Further on the mysterious "ientyle"
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First, thank you for the historical information Acheron...
In a note appearing just before the text proper of Sir Gawain -- least ways in my 1963 edition -- Tolkien has this to say:
"The spelling of the manuscript is reproduced, except for corrections of scribal errors... The long i of the manuscript is printed as j except in Iwis and the pronoun I."
And it is true; consider line 86 (line 85 included for context):
85 "Bot Arthure wolde not ete til al were serued,
He watz so joly of his joyfnes, and sumquat childgered:"
Incidentally this is an Arthur trope -- that he wouldn't eat the Christmas feast until everyone was served, and then only if some adventure presented itself at his halls (in this instance, enter The Green Knight).
It is also true that Tolkien's glossary doesn't have a "J" section, in spite of his swapping "i" for "j" where he deemed it appropriate.
Finally, ientyle appears as gentyle elsewhere in the text and in separate entries in the glossary, though they are the same word. So we might have stumbled here, upon an exception to Tolkien's editing strategy. Or perhaps soft g could sometimes be written as i, i.e. as it sounds?
Oh, one more thing... from the text above, I just love "sumquat" for "somewhat." Qu standing in for wh appears elsewhere in the poem.
(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Dec 31 2012, 10:30pm)
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A Middle English Vocabulary Challenge -- Nowel Edition
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SirDennisC
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Dec 22 2012, 6:09am
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I'll give it a go ...
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DanielLB
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Dec 22 2012, 8:01am
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Tricky..
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geordie
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Dec 22 2012, 9:27am
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Aren't the nowels
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Ethel Duath
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Dec 22 2012, 7:45pm
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Speaking of "y"
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SirDennisC
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Jan 1 2013, 11:09pm
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Well, if "i" and "y" were interchangeable at some point
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Ethel Duath
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Jan 2 2013, 12:12am
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i, y, j, u and v in Dutch and English
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Lissuin
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Jan 2 2013, 6:19am
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I think it's a spelling difference
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acheron
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Jan 2 2013, 5:36pm
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Spelling anarchy could be fun
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CuriousG
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Jan 2 2013, 6:42pm
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Gawd, not this again
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:53pm
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Tough one this time!
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Morthoron
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Dec 23 2012, 1:05am
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A Nowel present - a quiz!
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dernwyn
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Dec 23 2012, 5:36am
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I'll give it a go.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Dec 23 2012, 6:25am
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About answers and bonus words :)
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SirDennisC
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Dec 23 2012, 8:40pm
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OK, here are my guesses.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Dec 23 2012, 9:28pm
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Even more?
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dernwyn
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Dec 24 2012, 7:11pm
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Such lines are what makes it an "alliterative poem"
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SirDennisC
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Dec 25 2012, 3:19am
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bonus words
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Lissuin
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Dec 25 2012, 3:03am
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Are two guesses allowed?
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Lissuin
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Dec 25 2012, 2:40am
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Did you see the second list Liss?
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SirDennisC
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Dec 25 2012, 3:03am
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How do you like my line party costume?
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Lissuin
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Dec 25 2012, 3:08am
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Great answer! ... and ... wow. O.O //
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SirDennisC
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Dec 25 2012, 3:23am
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Answers -- don't peek if you still want to play.
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SirDennisC
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Dec 25 2012, 5:16pm
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Lots of fun, SirDennisC!
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Ardamírë
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Dec 26 2012, 11:25pm
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Bonus list answers -- don't peek if you still want to play!
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SirDennisC
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Dec 25 2012, 5:46pm
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j wasn't a letter in Middle English
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acheron
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Dec 30 2012, 3:49pm
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Further on the mysterious "ientyle"
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SirDennisC
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Dec 31 2012, 10:27pm
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"childgered"?
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dernwyn
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Jan 1 2013, 1:34pm
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Great question -- now where is Phibbus?
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SirDennisC
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Jan 1 2013, 8:38pm
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Not likely, SirD.
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Lissuin
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Jan 1 2013, 8:55pm
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Often said of Tolkien in the Reading Room -
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SirDennisC
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Jan 1 2013, 10:36pm
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