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arithmancer
Grey Havens
Dec 31 2012, 6:59pm
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I did, at that moment, see Bilbo making a mental choice to invest in the quest. He may not have had a practical choice to stay but not making the mental choice would have put him at odds with continuing with the Dwarves. Once the choice is made, it's a mental shift, if nothing else.
It's a whole sequence of moments that I think gave me this impression. I thought this strand in the movie was well thought-out and very well acted.
It started, for me, with Bilbo's decision to leave, which he made in the cave before the Goblins' trap is sprung. In the ensuing conversation with Bofur, he put his foot in his mouth by telling Bofur that the dwarves have no idea what it is to be homesick, because they do not have a home. To me, Bilbo's subsequent backpedalling and expression of regret suggest that it was only then, seeing Bofur's reaction, that he realized not having a home was something that was no more a natural or desirable state for the dwarves than it would have been for him.
A lot happens, and then we have the moment where Bilbo (still invisible) catches up with the dwarves to hear Thorin expressing the opinion that Bilbo won't be back, he's run off home, and good riddance. Here we have no dialogue, just Freeman's expression/body language.To me he seemed (not surprising!) displeased with Thorin's account of him, but had an expression of resolve when he stepped out from behind the tree and revealed himself.
Next, Thorin asks him why he came back. I see no reason not to take Bilbo at his word here, it seems to me consistent with the new understanding I saw him develop in the scene with Bofur, and with how I read his reaction to Thorin's words. Similar statements by Thorin before the cave scene had prompted Bilbo's earlier decision to leave, but now they were not having the same effect. Also, Bilbo could have given other reasons, such as the practical one of there not currently being a better option, or such as a mercenary reason. Thorin could not actually get rid of him, he and Bilbo had signed a contract entitling Bilbo to 1/14 of the proceeds of the (then incomplete) quest, and he had also agreed (with Gandalf) to bring Bilbo along. Which is why I think Bilbo was expressing his honest and newfound commitment to the Dwarves' quest. He'd joined it out of his long-suppressed Tookish taste for adventure, but he was going to stick to it for reasons his Baggins side understood as well.
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MistyMountain
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Dec 31 2012, 4:42am
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You're not wrong
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Ardamírë
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Dec 31 2012, 4:56am
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Deliberate change?
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arithmancer
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Dec 31 2012, 4:59am
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I noticed that too
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Nira
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Dec 31 2012, 6:41am
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youngest?
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malla
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Jan 1 2013, 3:28am
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Who's younger in the book, Fili or Kili?
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 31 2012, 7:33am
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I believe Kili is the youngest,
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Aragalen the Green
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Dec 31 2012, 6:24pm
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Tolkien's Thorin says "Fili is the youngest" in the book. //
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 31 2012, 6:46pm
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Ori
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The Mitch King
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Dec 31 2012, 7:41am
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Speaking of facts: does Bilbo fib to the dwarves after eluding Gollum?
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 31 2012, 8:04am
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I thought about that scene with Bilbo
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Magpie
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Dec 31 2012, 5:59pm
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That's how I saw it too.
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arithmancer
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Dec 31 2012, 6:59pm
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I agree with you both that he's rededicated himself here.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 31 2012, 7:43pm
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Oh, I see what you mean now.
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arithmancer
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Dec 31 2012, 7:47pm
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The youngest thing...
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CathrineB
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Dec 31 2012, 9:54am
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Who is the youngest
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Scot Down South
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Dec 31 2012, 9:55am
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I was going to suggest this too
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DanielLB
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Dec 31 2012, 10:14am
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and the weakest
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Entwife Wandlimb
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Dec 31 2012, 1:25pm
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Yes, but the goblin king was not in control of the camera
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MistyMountain
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Dec 31 2012, 9:32pm
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I wouldn't expect
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Lindele
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Dec 31 2012, 1:53pm
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while the film
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unexpectedvisitor
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Dec 31 2012, 2:58pm
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It's not just the film
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DanielLB
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Dec 31 2012, 3:01pm
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It's these kinds of changes i just do not get.
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 31 2012, 5:12pm
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Could you describe for me what Ori was like in the book, please?
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arithmancer
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Dec 31 2012, 6:25pm
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There really isn't much
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Aragalen the Green
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Dec 31 2012, 6:50pm
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I never mind when they fill in what's not there,
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 31 2012, 6:58pm
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I object!
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MistyMountain
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Dec 31 2012, 9:48pm
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Having Kili and Fili as youngest woeldn't quite work on film
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patrickk
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Dec 31 2012, 11:30pm
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Fili and Kili aren't twins
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DanielLB
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Dec 31 2012, 11:31pm
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Yes, but they made them that way.
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 31 2012, 11:50pm
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My point exactly
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MistyMountain
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Jan 1 2013, 12:30am
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Since Fili and Kili are major characters already....
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DanielLB
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Jan 1 2013, 12:35am
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No, he's not the youngest
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ryouko
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Jan 1 2013, 2:04am
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Well there's that scene in the movie
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sauget.diblosio
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Jan 1 2013, 3:00am
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Youngest dwarf and disneyfication
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Chilled in Hithlum
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Jan 1 2013, 3:34am
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They inherited their lack of prosthetics
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 1 2013, 4:06am
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