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This may depend on a viewer's tastes and beliefs...

arithmancer
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Dec 29 2012, 11:28pm


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It's the same reasoning as "God told me to". That's not engaging or enthralling, since it takes all controls out of the characters' hands. It certainly does not serve as a justification for Gandalf doing as he did (throughout both books) and really draws me out of having any appreciation for the storytelling techniques at play. People laud Tolkien for being so agonizingly realistic at times, yet he pulls this stuff and gets away with it? I find that just blinded.


My point, which I may not have made clearly, is that the great beauty the natural world has at times, and which we humans happen to be able to appreciate with strong, positive emotional responses to it, is a factor that leads some people to believe that the world has been created in order for it to be so, and we have been created in order that we be able to appreciate it. If one happens to have such a belief (and that Tolkien did is well-documented) it seems not too big a stretch that this Creator might also help things along in the right direction at times. And this scene shows us what can be thought of as an instance of such an occurrence, in a locale that has that sort of awe-inspiring beauty.

I don't see what this has to do with the characters' free will. Elrond was still free to decide he wanted to detain the Dwarves even after he noted that the coincidence and ascribed meaning to it. Thorin was always free to decide at Bag End that, gee, Balin is right, it is not worth the trouble and he should lead the Company back to the Blue Hills and their peaceful life there before he gets someone killed, in which case this moment would never have even happened.

For the record, I am personally not a believer in any Higher Power. However, I find that my personal beliefs don't get in the way of my enjoying a story that has this element. I imagine that someone who does, could find this an especially attractive feature of the story.

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Why Thorin, I can read this map at Moon Letter Cliff™! stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Dec 29 2012, 5:05am
    Odd Joe-Mathews Send a private message to Joe-Mathews Dec 29 2012, 5:19am
    Considering the guy's been around for thousands of years Tim Send a private message to Tim Dec 29 2012, 5:32am
        Thank you pandoraziki Send a private message to pandoraziki Dec 29 2012, 7:16am
        There must be a long queue! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 29 2012, 10:18am
            nit pickers cliff.... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Dec 29 2012, 8:51pm
            It's not nit-picking stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Dec 29 2012, 10:02pm
                Who says it only has one use? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 29 2012, 10:05pm
                    Can you name one? stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Dec 29 2012, 11:44pm
                        Elrond is probably looking for the Man in the Moon. / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 29 2012, 11:49pm
        ROFL Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Dec 29 2012, 7:41pm
            Yup sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 29 2012, 9:26pm
            :D Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Dec 29 2012, 11:26pm
                I just imagined Elrond kicking someone of the edge, shouting "This! Is! Rivendell!" // Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Dec 30 2012, 1:49am
                    Logic for stout flies Mahtion Send a private message to Mahtion Dec 30 2012, 8:49am
    Oh, I don't know. Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Dec 29 2012, 10:24am
        Hahaha! jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Dec 29 2012, 11:24am
        100% Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 29 2012, 12:54pm
            "meant to be" arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Dec 29 2012, 4:09pm
                Still doesn't make it good GoodGuyA Send a private message to GoodGuyA Dec 29 2012, 10:02pm
                    This may depend on a viewer's tastes and beliefs... arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Dec 29 2012, 11:28pm
            meant to be swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Dec 29 2012, 8:54pm
    The altar's true purpose according to Tolkien RalphDamiani Send a private message to RalphDamiani Dec 29 2012, 11:53am
        crystal caves.... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Dec 29 2012, 8:52pm
    So... how do you know that is all the cliff is designed to do... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Dec 29 2012, 5:01pm
        Thank you Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Dec 29 2012, 7:18pm
        Elrond means star dome among others Mahtion Send a private message to Mahtion Dec 29 2012, 7:22pm
            omens swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Dec 29 2012, 8:55pm
        Well... stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Dec 29 2012, 10:09pm
            Maybe Elrond takes his sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 29 2012, 10:19pm
                I heard it's where Elrond kills Aslan. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 29 2012, 10:47pm
                    Sacrilege!// Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Dec 29 2012, 10:48pm
            So Elrond can have no possible reason.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Dec 29 2012, 10:44pm
                Can you name one? stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Dec 29 2012, 11:41pm
                    Yes, several.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Dec 30 2012, 9:08am
            The Hobbit, book and film, is a fairy tale. Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Dec 29 2012, 11:01pm

 
 
 

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