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Silranhir
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Dec 29 2012, 1:54pm
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It would never have worked as just one film, even Jackson has explained the problem with the book and I've said the same in other posts. The book has too much happening (repetitively) in too short a space of time for it to translate into one film. It would have felt like a non stop adventure film where each scene is rushed. The big challenge for Jackson with the Hobbit is that firstly, it isn't a good book to base a movie on to begin with, and secondly you have to find a way to slow the pace down. Jackson decided to add the LOTR appendices into the story so that the gaps were filled in as such. Even you saying that the move to make three films 'to please the studio' is going against what we know to have happened as a fact. And the Guardian link you gave is trying to give the 'one size fits all' treatment to a multitude of scenarios without very little basis for facts. It wasn't WB who decided on three films, it was Jackson who requested it because he had filmed 'so much good material' he didn't want to lose any of it trying to fit it into three films. Now, of course WB said yes because they were thinking of cash but they certainly didn't force the idea purely from their own greed. If Jackson hadn't come up with the idea then it would still have been two films. We won't actually know until the end of the third film how much adding the third film has stretched the story. If you watched the review I linked to, it is stated that the first film has ended where it was pretty much going to end anyway so this may have been the first film showing as intended. If Boyens is to be believed then the next two will be shorter in length. I think this will mean increased length of the major scenes where with two films they would have probably been cut shorter than Jackson wanted. I firmly believe once we have seen the 3 films in their entirety, we will see how it all fit in. My problem is that many of the critics were already in a bad frame of mind with the two/three films extension and the HRF issue, so much so that they were reviewing the 48fps rather than the film. If they hated the HFR then they should view it again in 24fps. The argument made above comparing it to music reviews is invalid as you don't have the option with music to re-review it in your preferred format. In this case the older 24fps. Then, and only then, will they be reviewing the film rather than struggling with the new tech. The reason I like the BBC reviews is that Simon Mayo hits the nail on the head when he says that many reviewers have not got the balance right.
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CNN: The Hobbit worst movie of 2012
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demnation
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Dec 29 2012, 12:17am
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That headline made me LOL //
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Escapist
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Dec 29 2012, 12:19am
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Why shouldn't a critic's opinion of a movie be affected by its appearance?
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 29 2012, 12:29am
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you would think
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BeornBerserker
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Dec 29 2012, 12:33am
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Critics are under no obligation to see a film twice.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 29 2012, 1:03am
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Fair enough, but we shouldn't have to hear about it next year.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Dec 29 2012, 1:11am
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They won't be doing any critic screenings at 48fps next year.
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Crunchable Birdses
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Dec 29 2012, 1:13am
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Not if you opted to pile onto the soup with the optional sauce labled "extremely hot"
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 29 2012, 1:13am
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"...as standard blockbusters go..."
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Elizabeth
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Dec 29 2012, 2:15am
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Couldn't have said it better myself, Elizabeth. //
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Ardamírë
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Dec 29 2012, 2:32am
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Yeah, but The Hobbit is significantly lighter fare...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Dec 29 2012, 2:37am
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Some of the marketing did highlight connections between LoTR and TH
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Escapist
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Dec 29 2012, 2:55am
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Yet they tried to amp up the drama in Hobbit.
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Estel78
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Dec 29 2012, 5:52am
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The blame for failed expectations
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Escapist
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Dec 29 2012, 2:50am
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It is indeed, but it is a problem critics supposedly have some obligation to take into consideration, and to avoid falling into.
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 29 2012, 4:15am
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All the quieter charm of The Hobbit
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Elizabeth
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Dec 29 2012, 5:02am
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Many critics explicitly stated that they felt the film was too drawn out in the Bag End sequence...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Dec 29 2012, 5:04am
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In the prologue, maybe.
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Elizabeth
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Dec 29 2012, 5:42am
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I agree about the dwarves, but the critics certainly didn't.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Dec 29 2012, 5:57am
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I think that tells you the big problem PJ had...
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moreorless
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Dec 29 2012, 2:20pm
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Personally, i think the film got most tedious
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 29 2012, 4:24pm
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Agreed about some of the action but not Azog
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moreorless
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Dec 29 2012, 5:34pm
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Yeah, when it comes to Azog,
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 29 2012, 6:02pm
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Seriously?? Gothmog was HORRIBLE.
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morgul lord
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Dec 29 2012, 8:39pm
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I have no feeling on Gothmog one way or the other really,
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 29 2012, 10:05pm
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Azog
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Ave Moria
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Dec 29 2012, 6:10pm
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Nope
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Ave Moria
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Dec 29 2012, 6:04am
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"That was Thorin's style. He was an important dwarf."
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 29 2012, 7:24am
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Sorry, I clearly hit a nerve!
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Elizabeth
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Dec 29 2012, 8:39am
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Well. . . they had a Wizard with them. Maybe one of the more subtle aspects of the magic
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 29 2012, 9:52am
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Except you can't really say "nope" to this.
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Captain Salt
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Dec 29 2012, 5:55pm
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Oh, I agree those were some of the best moments. But, with a notable few exceptions
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 29 2012, 9:34am
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I find this to be the funny thing about the critics
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redgiraffe
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Jan 3 2013, 11:12am
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Yeah, couldn't disagree more.
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Tim
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Dec 29 2012, 5:36am
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the problem is...
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Ave Moria
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Dec 29 2012, 5:48am
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I'm with ya
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Elessar
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Dec 29 2012, 2:20pm
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Couldn't agree more
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imin
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Dec 29 2012, 11:59am
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To be fair
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Elessar
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Dec 29 2012, 2:08pm
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I agree and disagree
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elostirion74
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Dec 30 2012, 2:43pm
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I suppose
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BeornBerserker
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Dec 29 2012, 1:41am
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But it is garbage to lambast a film based on a format that one did not have to see it in
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 29 2012, 12:39am
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So critics should not have seen the film in the new format touted by its director? //
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 29 2012, 12:51am
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I value a critic who can make a distinction between form and content.
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Bladerunner
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Dec 29 2012, 6:30am
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this is a fair point
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redgiraffe
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Dec 29 2012, 1:44am
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It's not a fair point.
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 29 2012, 1:58am
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but
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redgiraffe
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Dec 29 2012, 4:02am
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WTF???
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 29 2012, 12:32am
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It is customary for critics to focus their "worst lists" on ambitious or notable films.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 29 2012, 1:08am
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And what of the likes of Breaking Dawn, and even Resident Evil?
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 29 2012, 1:15am
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Love your posts
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Ave Moria
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Dec 29 2012, 2:13am
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Daaawwwww. *Blushing*
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 29 2012, 2:47am
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;)
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Ave Moria
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Dec 29 2012, 5:44am
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If you read the review...
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burrahobbit
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Dec 29 2012, 12:15pm
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I think it really invalidates his opinion a lot
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Silranhir
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Dec 29 2012, 12:37pm
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Yeah he is probably the only one i actively go out of my way to listen to
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imin
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Dec 29 2012, 12:48pm
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Hmm...
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burrahobbit
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Dec 29 2012, 1:02pm
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Three movies
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Arannir
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Dec 29 2012, 1:43pm
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One film
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Silranhir
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Dec 29 2012, 1:54pm
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A two film adaptation would be the best balance
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burrahobbit
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Dec 29 2012, 6:47pm
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Someone who puts Tarantinos latest copy & paste crap on his number 1 list
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Êleniel Tindome
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Dec 29 2012, 6:55pm
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Yet it was also a better film than Avengers, about which critic raved, giving a pass to
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 30 2012, 12:59am
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I felt Jackson invited the LotR comparison
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burrahobbit
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Dec 30 2012, 1:29am
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It'e entirely possible...
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Chainsaw Charlie
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Dec 30 2012, 7:30pm
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LMAO! The critics REALLY hated HFR, didn't they...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Dec 29 2012, 12:34am
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I find this amusing more than anything else.
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sharpened_graphite
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Dec 29 2012, 12:45am
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Worse than a Gerard Butler romcom?
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ryouko
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Dec 29 2012, 1:08am
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Oh, please!
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Captain Salt
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Dec 29 2012, 1:44am
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The stupidest thing I have heard in 2012
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Ave Moria
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Dec 29 2012, 2:10am
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It would interesting
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silneldor
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Dec 29 2012, 3:26am
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Seeking attention
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Elessar
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Dec 29 2012, 6:42am
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Attention seeking
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dubulous
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Dec 29 2012, 9:45am
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Surely he should be reviewing the film
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DanielLB
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Dec 29 2012, 10:14am
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Classical music critics comment on the acoustics of orchestral halls all the time.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 29 2012, 10:33am
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I don't really think people are saying 48fps shouldn't be mentioned.
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 29 2012, 2:47pm
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It should absolutely affect the review. It does in music.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 29 2012, 5:55pm
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Then proclaim it was the worst concert of the year
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Altaira
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Dec 29 2012, 6:22pm
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The forums are moving so fast that hardly anyone will see this post.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 31 2012, 12:23am
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Maybe i'm not expaining myself well enough...
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 29 2012, 7:40pm
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It's based on the following review
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burrahobbit
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Dec 29 2012, 11:36am
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Such a sad thing
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Corsair of Umbar
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Dec 29 2012, 4:27pm
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ugh
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Ave Moria
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Dec 29 2012, 4:53pm
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Ave Moria
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Corsair of Umbar
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Dec 29 2012, 5:52pm
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I don't think theres any need for that...
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moreorless
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Dec 29 2012, 7:20pm
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Nor is TH free from criticism either, or it shouldn't be. People are allowed to dislike it all they like, so to speak. //
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Captain Salt
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Dec 29 2012, 7:35pm
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I wasnt claiming it should be...
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moreorless
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Dec 29 2012, 8:09pm
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Agreed on that last sentiment, but my interjection was due to that
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Captain Salt
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Dec 29 2012, 11:31pm
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And I think that was the problem with some of the critics/reviews. They came with a cynical attitude
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 30 2012, 1:44am
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i went in with the opposite problem
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imin
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Dec 30 2012, 1:56am
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When you do, you may find much more that is good than action.
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 30 2012, 2:01am
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Those are all the parts i liked the first time round
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imin
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Dec 30 2012, 2:34am
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I cannot complain too much about Goblin town, thanks to the magic and Humphries.
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 30 2012, 6:26am
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I agree with you Corsair. //
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Elenorflower
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Dec 29 2012, 9:06pm
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Agreed
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moreorless
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Dec 29 2012, 6:01pm
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Sure I had a similar experience
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burrahobbit
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Dec 29 2012, 7:05pm
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I don't think it was greed from Jackson...
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moreorless
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Dec 29 2012, 7:39pm
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Agree about more drama in later chapters...
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burrahobbit
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Dec 30 2012, 12:40am
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A much harder call than FOTR for me...
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moreorless
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Dec 30 2012, 10:41am
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You wouldn't have to drop the Trolls, Beorn and the Eagles
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burrahobbit
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Dec 30 2012, 1:03pm
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My points were more that...
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moreorless
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Dec 30 2012, 2:01pm
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Suggestions for themes
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burrahobbit
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Dec 30 2012, 2:28pm
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The problem is I'd say...
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moreorless
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Dec 30 2012, 3:33pm
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Thorin
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arithmancer
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Dec 30 2012, 2:07pm
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I honestly don't see how they ever planned on making this two films.
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 30 2012, 1:20pm
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Indeed it will
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moreorless
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Dec 30 2012, 3:49pm
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Corsair??
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Ataahua
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Dec 29 2012, 11:23pm
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Ataahua
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Corsair of Umbar
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Dec 29 2012, 11:42pm
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:D
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Ataahua
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Dec 30 2012, 12:10am
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At least the commenters are giving the reviewer a run for his money. //
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Aragalen the Green
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Dec 29 2012, 4:42pm
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---> Personal comments have been edited out of this thread - it will be locked if they continue! //
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Altaira
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Dec 29 2012, 6:11pm
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This is typical CNN.
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Chainsaw Charlie
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Dec 29 2012, 8:17pm
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No critic ever talks about...
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Rostron2
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Dec 29 2012, 10:27pm
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Critics won't get fooled again?
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moreorless
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Dec 30 2012, 7:10pm
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