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the problem is...

Ave Moria
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Dec 29 2012, 5:48am


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You're speaking for yourself as if you're speaking for everyone, when you're really just speaking for yourself and those that agree with you. I don't.

I felt The Hobbit was easily up to the level of Rings and surpassed it in some respects.

In my opinion, it's absurd to expect prior to viewing The Hobbit to be at the same level of Rings though, because Rings is a completely different animal. One is a personal, revenge quest and the other is a quest to save the entire world.

It's like comparing Macroeconomics and Microeconomics. One concerns the whole, the other concerns a small group within the whole. Is one better? No, just different.

It's like hating a cheeseburger because it's not a steak.

-In the Darkness, a torch we hold-

(This post was edited by Altaira on Dec 29 2012, 5:32pm)

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CNN: The Hobbit worst movie of 2012 demnation Send a private message to demnation Dec 29 2012, 12:17am
    That headline made me LOL // Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Dec 29 2012, 12:19am
    Why shouldn't a critic's opinion of a movie be affected by its appearance? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 29 2012, 12:29am
        you would think BeornBerserker Send a private message to BeornBerserker Dec 29 2012, 12:33am
            Critics are under no obligation to see a film twice. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 29 2012, 1:03am
                Fair enough, but we shouldn't have to hear about it next year. Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Dec 29 2012, 1:11am
                    They won't be doing any critic screenings at 48fps next year. Crunchable Birdses Send a private message to Crunchable Birdses Dec 29 2012, 1:13am
                Not if you opted to pile onto the soup with the optional sauce labled "extremely hot" AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 29 2012, 1:13am
                    "...as standard blockbusters go..." Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 29 2012, 2:15am
                        Couldn't have said it better myself, Elizabeth. // ArdamŪrŽ Send a private message to ArdamŪrŽ Dec 29 2012, 2:32am
                        Yeah, but The Hobbit is significantly lighter fare... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Dec 29 2012, 2:37am
                            Some of the marketing did highlight connections between LoTR and TH Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Dec 29 2012, 2:55am
                            Yet they tried to amp up the drama in Hobbit. Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Dec 29 2012, 5:52am
                        The blame for failed expectations Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Dec 29 2012, 2:50am
                        It is indeed, but it is a problem critics supposedly have some obligation to take into consideration, and to avoid falling into. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 29 2012, 4:15am
                            All the quieter charm of The Hobbit Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 29 2012, 5:02am
                                Many critics explicitly stated that they felt the film was too drawn out in the Bag End sequence... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Dec 29 2012, 5:04am
                                    In the prologue, maybe. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 29 2012, 5:42am
                                        I agree about the dwarves, but the critics certainly didn't. Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Dec 29 2012, 5:57am
                                        I think that tells you the big problem PJ had... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 29 2012, 2:20pm
                                            Personally, i think the film got most tedious sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 29 2012, 4:24pm
                                                Agreed about some of the action but not Azog moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 29 2012, 5:34pm
                                                    Yeah, when it comes to Azog, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 29 2012, 6:02pm
                                                        Seriously?? Gothmog was HORRIBLE. morgul lord Send a private message to morgul lord Dec 29 2012, 8:39pm
                                                            I have no feeling on Gothmog one way or the other really, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 29 2012, 10:05pm
                                                    Azog Ave Moria Send a private message to Ave Moria Dec 29 2012, 6:10pm
                                Nope Ave Moria Send a private message to Ave Moria Dec 29 2012, 6:04am
                                    "That was Thorin's style. He was an important dwarf." N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 29 2012, 7:24am
                                    Sorry, I clearly hit a nerve! Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 29 2012, 8:39am
                                        Well. . . they had a Wizard with them. Maybe one of the more subtle aspects of the magic AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 29 2012, 9:52am
                                    Except you can't really say "nope" to this. Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Dec 29 2012, 5:55pm
                                Oh, I agree those were some of the best moments. But, with a notable few exceptions AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 29 2012, 9:34am
                                I find this to be the funny thing about the critics redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 3 2013, 11:12am
                        Yeah, couldn't disagree more. Tim Send a private message to Tim Dec 29 2012, 5:36am
                        the problem is... Ave Moria Send a private message to Ave Moria Dec 29 2012, 5:48am
                            I'm with ya Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Dec 29 2012, 2:20pm
                        Couldn't agree more imin Send a private message to imin Dec 29 2012, 11:59am
                            To be fair Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Dec 29 2012, 2:08pm
                        I agree and disagree elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Dec 30 2012, 2:43pm
                I suppose BeornBerserker Send a private message to BeornBerserker Dec 29 2012, 1:41am
        But it is garbage to lambast a film based on a format that one did not have to see it in AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 29 2012, 12:39am
            So critics should not have seen the film in the new format touted by its director? // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 29 2012, 12:51am
                I value a critic who can make a distinction between form and content. Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Dec 29 2012, 6:30am
        this is a fair point redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Dec 29 2012, 1:44am
            It's not a fair point. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 29 2012, 1:58am
                but redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Dec 29 2012, 4:02am
    WTF??? AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 29 2012, 12:32am
        It is customary for critics to focus their "worst lists" on ambitious or notable films. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 29 2012, 1:08am
            And what of the likes of Breaking Dawn, and even Resident Evil? AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 29 2012, 1:15am
                Love your posts Ave Moria Send a private message to Ave Moria Dec 29 2012, 2:13am
                    Daaawwwww. *Blushing* AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 29 2012, 2:47am
                        ;) Ave Moria Send a private message to Ave Moria Dec 29 2012, 5:44am
                If you read the review... burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Dec 29 2012, 12:15pm
                    I think it really invalidates his opinion a lot Silranhir Send a private message to Silranhir Dec 29 2012, 12:37pm
                        Yeah he is probably the only one i actively go out of my way to listen to imin Send a private message to imin Dec 29 2012, 12:48pm
                        Hmm... burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Dec 29 2012, 1:02pm
                            Three movies Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 29 2012, 1:43pm
                            One film Silranhir Send a private message to Silranhir Dec 29 2012, 1:54pm
                                A two film adaptation would be the best balance burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Dec 29 2012, 6:47pm
                                    Someone who puts Tarantinos latest copy & paste crap on his number 1 list  leniel Tindome Send a private message to  leniel Tindome Dec 29 2012, 6:55pm
                    Yet it was also a better film than Avengers, about which critic raved, giving a pass to AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 30 2012, 12:59am
                        I felt Jackson invited the LotR comparison burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Dec 30 2012, 1:29am
                            It'e entirely possible... Chainsaw Charlie Send a private message to Chainsaw Charlie Dec 30 2012, 7:30pm
    LMAO! The critics REALLY hated HFR, didn't they... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Dec 29 2012, 12:34am
    I find this amusing more than anything else. sharpened_graphite Send a private message to sharpened_graphite Dec 29 2012, 12:45am
    Worse than a Gerard Butler romcom? ryouko Send a private message to ryouko Dec 29 2012, 1:08am
    Oh, please! Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Dec 29 2012, 1:44am
    The stupidest thing I have heard in 2012 Ave Moria Send a private message to Ave Moria Dec 29 2012, 2:10am
    It would interesting silneldor Send a private message to silneldor Dec 29 2012, 3:26am
    Seeking attention Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Dec 29 2012, 6:42am
    Attention seeking dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Dec 29 2012, 9:45am
    Surely he should be reviewing the film DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 29 2012, 10:14am
        Classical music critics comment on the acoustics of orchestral halls all the time. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 29 2012, 10:33am
            I don't really think people are saying 48fps shouldn't be mentioned. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 29 2012, 2:47pm
                It should absolutely affect the review. It does in music. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 29 2012, 5:55pm
                    Then proclaim it was the worst concert of the year Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Dec 29 2012, 6:22pm
                        The forums are moving so fast that hardly anyone will see this post. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 31 2012, 12:23am
                    Maybe i'm not expaining myself well enough... sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 29 2012, 7:40pm
        It's based on the following review burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Dec 29 2012, 11:36am
    Such a sad thing Corsair of Umbar Send a private message to Corsair of Umbar Dec 29 2012, 4:27pm
        ugh Ave Moria Send a private message to Ave Moria Dec 29 2012, 4:53pm
            Ave Moria Corsair of Umbar Send a private message to Corsair of Umbar Dec 29 2012, 5:52pm
                I don't think theres any need for that... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 29 2012, 7:20pm
                    Nor is TH free from criticism either, or it shouldn't be. People are allowed to dislike it all they like, so to speak. // Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Dec 29 2012, 7:35pm
                        I wasnt claiming it should be... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 29 2012, 8:09pm
                            Agreed on that last sentiment, but my interjection was due to that Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Dec 29 2012, 11:31pm
                    And I think that was the problem with some of the critics/reviews. They came with a cynical attitude AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 30 2012, 1:44am
                        i went in with the opposite problem imin Send a private message to imin Dec 30 2012, 1:56am
                            When you do, you may find much more that is good than action. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 30 2012, 2:01am
                                Those are all the parts i liked the first time round imin Send a private message to imin Dec 30 2012, 2:34am
                                    I cannot complain too much about Goblin town, thanks to the magic and Humphries. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 30 2012, 6:26am
                I agree with you Corsair. // Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Dec 29 2012, 9:06pm
            Agreed moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 29 2012, 6:01pm
        Sure I had a similar experience burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Dec 29 2012, 7:05pm
            I don't think it was greed from Jackson... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 29 2012, 7:39pm
                Agree about more drama in later chapters... burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Dec 30 2012, 12:40am
                    A much harder call than FOTR for me... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 30 2012, 10:41am
                        You wouldn't have to drop the Trolls, Beorn and the Eagles burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Dec 30 2012, 1:03pm
                            My points were more that... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 30 2012, 2:01pm
                                Suggestions for themes burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Dec 30 2012, 2:28pm
                                    The problem is I'd say... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 30 2012, 3:33pm
                            Thorin arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Dec 30 2012, 2:07pm
                        I honestly don't see how they ever planned on making this two films. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 30 2012, 1:20pm
                            Indeed it will moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 30 2012, 3:49pm
        Corsair?? Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Dec 29 2012, 11:23pm
            Ataahua Corsair of Umbar Send a private message to Corsair of Umbar Dec 29 2012, 11:42pm
                :D Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Dec 30 2012, 12:10am
    At least the commenters are giving the reviewer a run for his money. // Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Dec 29 2012, 4:42pm
    ---> Personal comments have been edited out of this thread - it will be locked if they continue! // Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Dec 29 2012, 6:11pm
    This is typical CNN. Chainsaw Charlie Send a private message to Chainsaw Charlie Dec 29 2012, 8:17pm
    No critic ever talks about... Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Dec 29 2012, 10:27pm
    Critics won't get fooled again? moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 30 2012, 7:10pm

 
 
 

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