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Iowaboy
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Dec 28 2012, 6:44pm
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I think one can sum up the Azog-hate quite easily:
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1. A lot of us do not care for his 'look', which for me screams CGI. If they had used a 'real' person (think a TTT Berserker), that would improve my impression of the character by at least 50%. 2. I think his plot role is rather forced, and his character-development weak. PJ et Co have this bad habit for forcing a dramatic arc on characters who don't really seem to need one--I'm thinking of Arwen and Faramir in TTT/ROTK, and the use of Pippin/Merry in getting the Ents to attack Isengard, for example. All of that seemed forced to me in those films, and unneeded. Same with Azog/Thorin. I think the dramatic arc of Thorin trying to unite the dwarves and prove himself a great leader is more than enough without having a one-dimensional orc villain to contend with. 3. The big scene at the end with Azog is a mess, thematically. I was fine with Thorin doing basically his suicidal charge at Azog, since that seems a logical part of his character, and his need to prove himself in some way. But then it falls apart: Thorin puts up a terrible fight, gets his butt kicked, and friggin' BILBO (!) comes in to save him. I have a lot of trouble with this sequence, and the choices PJ made in how it played out. Why not have Thorin and Azog battle like crazy, only to have an Eagle swoop down and drag Thorin away to safety, when clearly Thorin--even though he would likely die--wanted to stay and fight his nemesis? Why insert Bilbo at all? 4. Azog is the same basic character as Lurtz, or the General Orc in FOTR, or any one of a number of 'baddies' in this series. He has a real 'been there, done that' feel to him. Better to have minimized his role rather than accentuate it.
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I do not get the.....
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YaznegSouth40
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Dec 28 2012, 4:39pm
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So-tell us what you liked about Azog!
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Aragalen the Green
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Dec 28 2012, 4:43pm
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All I am saying....
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YaznegSouth40
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Dec 28 2012, 4:54pm
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Welcome to the internet.
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 28 2012, 4:58pm
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Azog badass
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Ęleniel Tindome
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Dec 28 2012, 5:02pm
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Bravo!
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painjoiker
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Dec 28 2012, 5:05pm
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I like his design and ...
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DanielLB
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Dec 28 2012, 5:09pm
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Sadly, that's the nature of a comment thread.
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Aragalen the Green
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Dec 28 2012, 6:50pm
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If this were the case
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DanielLB
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Dec 28 2012, 4:43pm
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I can suggest it
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Ardamírë
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Dec 28 2012, 5:06pm
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EY!
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painjoiker
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Dec 28 2012, 4:47pm
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i sorta get it
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unexpectedvisitor
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Dec 28 2012, 4:48pm
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Not quite the same as Lurtz
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Fredeghar Wayfarer
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Dec 28 2012, 8:38pm
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Very true, and well stated by you.
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 28 2012, 9:04pm
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Azog and Arwen
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Mahtion
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Dec 28 2012, 10:12pm
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Personally
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GothmogTheBalrog
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Dec 28 2012, 11:07pm
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In general
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Lindele
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Dec 28 2012, 5:02pm
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Exactly...Lindele...
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YaznegSouth40
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Dec 28 2012, 6:56pm
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Or it could be...
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Ardamírë
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Dec 28 2012, 6:58pm
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Well if you are going to make the argument
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Lindele
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Dec 28 2012, 7:08pm
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He looks worse than all of those
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Ardamírë
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Dec 28 2012, 7:09pm
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I'm saying
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Lindele
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Dec 28 2012, 7:16pm
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Perhaps it's....
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YaznegSouth40
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Dec 28 2012, 8:16pm
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Well, that's the nature of the world
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Eledhwen
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Dec 28 2012, 5:03pm
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Oh that is perfect.
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Ataahua
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Dec 28 2012, 8:12pm
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No one says they hate him like Hitler...
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Kassandros
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Dec 28 2012, 5:22pm
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Kassandros I understand that....
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YaznegSouth40
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Dec 28 2012, 7:07pm
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"The Warrior's of Nain, Gror's son, drove through the orcs. . . all the while they cried 'Azog! Azog!"
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 28 2012, 7:59pm
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On The Dwarves having Azog's name on their axes. . . I attempted editing this post
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 28 2012, 8:18pm
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Azog work for me
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Simon
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Dec 28 2012, 5:22pm
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I don't hate him,
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 28 2012, 5:25pm
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I will say again, the character is fine, as I see him. His placement is horrendous, and is part of a larger flaw.
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 28 2012, 6:12pm
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I highly agree!. I just can't tear myself away from that canon which is ingrained in my head :(. -that's- exactly what I've found wrong
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Xanaseb
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Dec 28 2012, 6:35pm
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Not a purist either.
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 28 2012, 6:53pm
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I think one can sum up the Azog-hate quite easily:
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Iowaboy
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Dec 28 2012, 6:44pm
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Couldn't have said it better Iowaboy
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IDLookout
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Dec 28 2012, 8:25pm
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I agree with you Iowaboy
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Elenorflower
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Dec 28 2012, 9:20pm
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edit: this comment had small beginnings
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unexpectedvisitor
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Dec 28 2012, 10:29pm
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Thank you for being so wonderfully insightful & optimistic! //
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RhodeCamelot
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Jan 1 2013, 11:58am
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How about Jar Jar Binks?
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Ardamírë
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Dec 28 2012, 6:56pm
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I liked Azog - wayyy more than Gothmog from ROTK
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morgul lord
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Dec 28 2012, 11:04pm
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I loved the film
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Rostron2
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Dec 29 2012, 12:35am
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I too loved the movies and thought Azog was cool
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Ziggy Stardust
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Dec 29 2012, 1:37am
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