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I will say again, the character is fine, as I see him. His placement is horrendous, and is part of a larger flaw.

AinurOlorin
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Dec 28 2012, 6:12pm


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I will say again, the character is fine, as I see him. His placement is horrendous, and is part of a larger flaw. [In reply to] Can't Post

The tale of the Dwarves, of the grief and rage of Thrain, and of the war of vengeance they launched to take retribution for the slaying of The Heir of Durin, is truly epic and staggeringly powerful. Nothing else would have brought all Seven Dwarf Houses together. Moria was not the ancestral home of The Other Six Houses (and they had never dwelt in Erebor, which Thror's far ancestor Thrain I had founded after Durin's House fled the inexorable wrath of The Balrog in Moria), but Durin was The Eldest of The Forefathers, and the first of their kind, and so greivous a desecration of his heir filled them with a special wrath and hatred. All of that is lost in this translation. The hunting "for Azog in every den under the mountains," is gone. There is unfounded talk of Azog having sworn to wipe out Durin's line, when in fact the almost polar reverse is true: when Azog desecrated the body of Thror, The Dwarves of every nation vowed to wipe HIM out, and they began a quasi-genocidal war against the goblin/orc race "sacking every stronghold of the orcs that they could find from Gundabad to The Gladden." We may yet see the real cause of the Dwarves decision to leave Moria to The Shadow, that being The Great Shadow within, who slew their ancestor kings with impunity, haunted their most dreadful nightmares and against whom their arms could not avail: The Balrog. There is at least hope that something of that may yet be maintained in latter flashbacks. But the rest has been mangled, and that could have been avoided by using Bolg in Azog's place. . . or even by a ressurection of Azog.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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I do not get the..... YaznegSouth40 Send a private message to YaznegSouth40 Dec 28 2012, 4:39pm
    So-tell us what you liked about Azog! Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Dec 28 2012, 4:43pm
        All I am saying.... YaznegSouth40 Send a private message to YaznegSouth40 Dec 28 2012, 4:54pm
            Welcome to the internet. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 28 2012, 4:58pm
            Azog badass Ęleniel Tindome Send a private message to Ęleniel Tindome Dec 28 2012, 5:02pm
            Bravo! painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Dec 28 2012, 5:05pm
            I like his design and ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 28 2012, 5:09pm
            Sadly, that's the nature of a comment thread. Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Dec 28 2012, 6:50pm
    If this were the case DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 28 2012, 4:43pm
        I can suggest it Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Dec 28 2012, 5:06pm
    EY! painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Dec 28 2012, 4:47pm
    i sorta get it unexpectedvisitor Send a private message to unexpectedvisitor Dec 28 2012, 4:48pm
        Not quite the same as Lurtz Fredeghar Wayfarer Send a private message to Fredeghar Wayfarer Dec 28 2012, 8:38pm
            Very true, and well stated by you. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 28 2012, 9:04pm
                Azog and Arwen Mahtion Send a private message to Mahtion Dec 28 2012, 10:12pm
                    Personally GothmogTheBalrog Send a private message to GothmogTheBalrog Dec 28 2012, 11:07pm
    In general Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Dec 28 2012, 5:02pm
        Exactly...Lindele... YaznegSouth40 Send a private message to YaznegSouth40 Dec 28 2012, 6:56pm
        Or it could be... Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Dec 28 2012, 6:58pm
            Well if you are going to make the argument Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Dec 28 2012, 7:08pm
                He looks worse than all of those Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Dec 28 2012, 7:09pm
                    I'm saying Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Dec 28 2012, 7:16pm
                    Perhaps it's.... YaznegSouth40 Send a private message to YaznegSouth40 Dec 28 2012, 8:16pm
    Well, that's the nature of the world Eledhwen Send a private message to Eledhwen Dec 28 2012, 5:03pm
        Oh that is perfect. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Dec 28 2012, 8:12pm
    No one says they hate him like Hitler... Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Dec 28 2012, 5:22pm
        Kassandros I understand that.... YaznegSouth40 Send a private message to YaznegSouth40 Dec 28 2012, 7:07pm
            "The Warrior's of Nain, Gror's son, drove through the orcs. . . all the while they cried 'Azog! Azog!" AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 28 2012, 7:59pm
                On The Dwarves having Azog's name on their axes. . . I attempted editing this post AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 28 2012, 8:18pm
    Azog work for me Simon Send a private message to Simon Dec 28 2012, 5:22pm
    I don't hate him, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 28 2012, 5:25pm
    I will say again, the character is fine, as I see him. His placement is horrendous, and is part of a larger flaw. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 28 2012, 6:12pm
        I highly agree!. I just can't tear myself away from that canon which is ingrained in my head :(. -that's- exactly what I've found wrong Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Dec 28 2012, 6:35pm
            Not a purist either. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 28 2012, 6:53pm
    I think one can sum up the Azog-hate quite easily: Iowaboy Send a private message to Iowaboy Dec 28 2012, 6:44pm
        Couldn't have said it better Iowaboy IDLookout Send a private message to IDLookout Dec 28 2012, 8:25pm
        I agree with you Iowaboy Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Dec 28 2012, 9:20pm
            edit: this comment had small beginnings unexpectedvisitor Send a private message to unexpectedvisitor Dec 28 2012, 10:29pm
                Thank you for being so wonderfully insightful & optimistic! // RhodeCamelot Send a private message to RhodeCamelot Jan 1 2013, 11:58am
    How about Jar Jar Binks? Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Dec 28 2012, 6:56pm
    I liked Azog - wayyy more than Gothmog from ROTK morgul lord Send a private message to morgul lord Dec 28 2012, 11:04pm
    I loved the film Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Dec 29 2012, 12:35am
    I too loved the movies and thought Azog was cool Ziggy Stardust Send a private message to Ziggy Stardust Dec 29 2012, 1:37am

 
 
 

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