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You know the lore of the Phial. You saw it being made.

Plurmo
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Dec 28 2012, 4:55pm


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The Mirror of Galadriel was carrying the water. It was she who chose the right time to perform the Magic. She chose a moment when "the evening star had risen and was shining with fire above the western woods." It is in Ulmo's power to make water carry voices, dreams, fire, starlight. And it is by the trust of Ulmo that Galadriel is permitted to invoke such power. But she doesn't know with certainty what the ringbearer will face in his journey, that's why she lures him to her mirror. But the ringbearer is already strong or wise enough to resist showing himself to her. Better yet then, she lures his faithful servant whose soul is so pure that he himself feels naked under her gaze. She knows that the servant is the earnest guardian of his master and as such she expects that if she probes the fate of the servant she will discover the dangers to the master.

"There's only stars, as I thought." and then the stars went out. In my view, under the command of Galadriel the water for the Phial was mostly produced at that moment. Then the mirror revealed to Sam what it saw, and the first thing it saw was Frodo after Shelob's attack. Therefore the Phial was done mostly with the aim of providing a means to forestall the full attack of Shelob. It is "only stars" indeed.

"Do not touch the water," Frodo. It's been hallowed.

To answer your questions (according to the way I see them):

Ulmo provides the water and allows Galadriel to put in it words and devices that she chooses fit to; Sam provides the clear foresight of the danger of which Galadriel can only suspect; The starlight is starlight, mostly the light of the Silmaril; It is Galadriel who as master of the magic activates the Phial. The waters of Ulmo will answer only to her direct request.

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Help from Varda? Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Dec 23 2012, 4:00pm
    My bet is on Varda CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 24 2012, 11:07pm
        With Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Dec 25 2012, 10:36am
            Part of the wonder of Tolkien is that the workings of 'magic' are hidden, but I think both Varda and Galadriel SilentLion Send a private message to SilentLion Dec 26 2012, 8:25pm
    Maybe both dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Dec 25 2012, 11:43am
    Eru Cyberia Send a private message to Cyberia Dec 27 2012, 12:49am
    Mostly Ulmo, I think. Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Dec 28 2012, 12:23am
        Fascinating argument, and very well-constructed.// CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 28 2012, 1:18am
            Thanks, CuriousG! I see I wrote "relatives" (of Frodo) instead of "parents." Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Dec 28 2012, 3:04am
                Au contraire, quite enjoyable to read them// CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 28 2012, 6:05pm
        It Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Dec 28 2012, 6:49am
            You know the lore of the Phial. You saw it being made. Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Dec 28 2012, 4:55pm
                "Do not touch the water" question CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 28 2012, 6:12pm
                    I think It's mainly a mirror, actually. Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Dec 30 2012, 9:42pm

 
 
 

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