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Ostadan
Rivendell
Dec 27 2012, 9:36pm
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I think that one of the interesting things about JRRT's abandoned rewrite, as seen in Rateliff's book, is that while he made the style more serious by eliminating the first- and second-person asides, he did not change the comic speech of the trolls, nor even alter their names to something less English. So from a stylistic point of view, his goal was not to make it closer to LotR (though that was certainly his intent in matters of plot detail), or less comical, but rather to adopt what he had come to consider a better, less patronizing writing style, noting that even his children had not cared for the original chattiness. I posted an article a few months ago about Jackson's careless (or deliberately misleading) mischaracterization of the Appendices, and took a fair bit of heat (and some support) for my taking Jackson to task for this. In any case, what we get in the movie seems less to be an adaptation of that material than a general mining for scattered plot elements that are barely recognizable in the final screenplay. Radagast's investigation of Dol Guldur (seemingly surprised that there is dark sorcery at a place called the Hill of Dark Sorcery). The wholly invented Witch-king's tomb. The nearly complete alteration of the history involving Thror, Dain, Azog, and Thrain. And Balin, for that matter (who was a child of seven years at the sack of Erebor). We may still get a flashback involving Gandalf and Thrain, but we can be sure that it will not happen in the dungeons of the Necromancer as Gandalf learns that he is indeed Sauron. You may make your own list. And I have certainly seen comments in various forums from people who believe that this is all 'what Tolkien intended', almost certainly because they heard Jackson say so. Intentionally or not, Jackson has succeeded in spreading misinformation that people remember.
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Did Tolkien actually want to rewrite The Hobbit?
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Níniel
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Dec 17 2012, 5:02pm
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Yes, but not badly enough to complete a full revision...
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Otaku-sempai
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Dec 17 2012, 5:08pm
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thank you!
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Níniel
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Dec 17 2012, 5:13pm
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My source
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Otaku-sempai
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Dec 17 2012, 5:27pm
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Gosh, you're quick -
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geordie
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Dec 17 2012, 5:35pm
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If I might pop in -
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geordie
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Dec 17 2012, 5:34pm
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Wow, that's an interesting story!//
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Níniel
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Dec 17 2012, 5:39pm
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Just to add...
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Elthir
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Dec 17 2012, 9:08pm
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look for the Steven Colbert
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demanon
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Dec 18 2012, 1:12am
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Yes but...
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Elthir
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Dec 18 2012, 3:47am
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Well there might be some split hairs lying around here somewhere <checks the floor>
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Escapist
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Dec 18 2012, 3:57am
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But Peter Jackson has introduced the idea...
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Elthir
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Dec 18 2012, 5:23pm
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That sounds too precise to be warranted to me //
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Escapist
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Dec 18 2012, 5:28pm
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What exactly...
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Elthir
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Dec 18 2012, 5:30pm
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no //
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Escapist
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Dec 18 2012, 5:48pm
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when did he introduce this idea?//
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elevorn
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Dec 18 2012, 6:16pm
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Here, in this interview...
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Elthir
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Dec 18 2012, 6:47pm
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okay...
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elevorn
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Dec 18 2012, 7:05pm
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the issue at the moment
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Elthir
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Dec 18 2012, 8:59pm
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Philippa
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 12:16am
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...and Fran perhaps don't know the appendices that well, either.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 19 2012, 1:11am
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It's interesting, to say the least
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 3:40am
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If nobody minds, i'll just pop in this quote here -
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geordie
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Dec 18 2012, 6:38pm
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I read this a few days ago
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 12:11am
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the smoke
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Elthir
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Dec 19 2012, 4:25am
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It's definitely odd
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 5:06am
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TORN's Hobbit-movie forum is moving so fast right now
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 19 2012, 6:35pm
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I think it's a combination of some of these and something else -
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geordie
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Dec 19 2012, 7:31am
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Hmm
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macfalk
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Dec 19 2012, 10:55am
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Aragorn and Arwen
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 2:59pm
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In my verision
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macfalk
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Dec 19 2012, 3:08pm
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Woah
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 3:39pm
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Jackson's copy
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Elthir
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Dec 19 2012, 4:27pm
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I can't imagine a copy without the appendices
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 5:17pm
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Not ten years -
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geordie
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Dec 19 2012, 6:55pm
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I suppose
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 7:08pm
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To be fair this doesnt seem heavly implied...
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moreorless
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Jan 4 2013, 10:58am
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But there are other interviews with him
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Ardamírë
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Jan 4 2013, 5:25pm
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I've said it before - and please forgive the repitition....
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dormouse
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Dec 19 2012, 7:21pm
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That makes sense to me
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CuriousG
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Dec 19 2012, 9:29pm
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I can't agree, as...
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Elthir
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Dec 19 2012, 9:49pm
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Yes, but you're analysing words spoken in interview....
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dormouse
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Dec 19 2012, 11:27pm
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words
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Elthir
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Dec 20 2012, 3:51am
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Dont' forget all the interview back in July
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 4:05am
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interviews
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Elthir
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Dec 20 2012, 4:17am
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Yes, but
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 4:23am
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Well there is that question too
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Elthir
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Dec 20 2012, 4:28am
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I think what Dormouse says is true
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 4:45am
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I love your comment
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 1:32pm
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Oh thank you!//
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 4:39pm
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The PJ and P.Boyens bashing is getting tiresome
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macfalk
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Dec 20 2012, 9:49pm
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I suppose you're right
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 10:00pm
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Why are you injecting this into this thread
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Elthir
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Dec 20 2012, 10:08pm
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Yes...
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macfalk
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Dec 20 2012, 10:38pm
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Who exactly...
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Elthir
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Dec 20 2012, 10:45pm
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Please excuse me
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Níniel
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Dec 21 2012, 2:58am
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Well...
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Elthir
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Dec 21 2012, 3:36am
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JRRT's Rewrite
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Ostadan
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Dec 27 2012, 9:36pm
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I missed your article in August.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 27 2012, 11:40pm
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Interesting
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tolkienreborn
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Jan 1 2013, 9:51am
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