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Cyberia
The Shire
Dec 27 2012, 12:49am
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I think everyone's forgetting Eru himself. His hand is also certainly in play, probably even more than the Valar, since I see the Valar as being almost paralyzed, knowing the events transpiring were Eru's design. The Valar knew Eru had directly intervened with Gandalf, and parting Sauron's clouds would be within his ability too, perhaps even more so, since Sauron might have detected Varda, but certainly Eru could have slipped the cloud-parting incident past Sauron. The Dark Lord would certainly have detected Galadriel projecting power into the heart of Mordor.
I agreee it was most likely Varda intervening when Sam and Frodo called to her, but I see this as Varda jumping at the chance to do something..."What??! They prayed to me!"
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Help from Varda?
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Nerven
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Dec 23 2012, 4:00pm
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My bet is on Varda
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CuriousG
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Dec 24 2012, 11:07pm
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Nerven
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Dec 25 2012, 10:36am
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Part of the wonder of Tolkien is that the workings of 'magic' are hidden, but I think both Varda and Galadriel
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SilentLion
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Dec 26 2012, 8:25pm
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Maybe both
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dubulous
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Dec 25 2012, 11:43am
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Eru
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Cyberia
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Dec 27 2012, 12:49am
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Mostly Ulmo, I think.
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Plurmo
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Dec 28 2012, 12:23am
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Fascinating argument, and very well-constructed.//
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CuriousG
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Dec 28 2012, 1:18am
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Thanks, CuriousG! I see I wrote "relatives" (of Frodo) instead of "parents."
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Plurmo
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Dec 28 2012, 3:04am
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Au contraire, quite enjoyable to read them//
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CuriousG
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Dec 28 2012, 6:05pm
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It
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Nerven
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Dec 28 2012, 6:49am
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You know the lore of the Phial. You saw it being made.
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Plurmo
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Dec 28 2012, 4:55pm
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"Do not touch the water" question
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CuriousG
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Dec 28 2012, 6:12pm
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I think It's mainly a mirror, actually.
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Plurmo
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Dec 30 2012, 9:42pm
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