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Magic & Grace of Valar/Aman/Undying Lands

Nolofinwe
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Dec 24 2012, 3:38pm


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The only instance I can recall 'magic' being used as a catch-all plot device is within the story of Beren & Luthien (I get the Silmarillion, Lost Tales, and HoM-E Volume X/XI versions all jumbled in my mind... difficult to associate details with which version...) where-in Luthien is able to (among other magical deeds on that quest...) magically grow her hair to create a rope to escape her elevated for-her-own-good prison in the forest of Doriath, transforming herself & Beren into the shapes of a wolf and bat... the sleep spells she casts more than once (one of which was successfully aimed at Morgoth Bauglir himself in his throne room), and the healing of Beren after bow-shot & involuntary-hand-removal by way of Carcharoth.

An argument could be made that having half-Maiar half-Elven ancestry imparted to her some ability beyond those given to the Elder Children of Illuvitar.

In the OP you mention the Palantiri... made by the Elves of Tol Eressea for the House of Elendil. And it calls to mind the Silmarils, Feanorian Lamps and other such magnificents examples of Eldar craftsmenship. Much of what we would call 'magic' or 'Elf Magic' in Arda comes from the grace granted to those who reside(d) in Aman... The Silmarils, Lamps, and perhaps even the Palantiri were wrought by Feanor under the tutelage of Aule. By the end of the Third Age, I can think of no other kindred of the High Elves than Galadriel (Elrond is in his own category, what with his Maiar ancestry).... it seems to me that her magical abilities can be directly traced to her having the power of Nenya, combined with the grace imparted to her from her years in Aman. It seems the ability to do & create great things left the world in a direct correllation with the Eldar leaving Middle Earth.

Mighty must the Noldor have seemed (To all but Melian & Thingol in Doriath) when they arrived fresh from Aman.... each with the might and magnificence that Galadriel possesses.

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'The problem of magic' in Tolkien noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 18 2012, 11:53am
    A thought about games noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 18 2012, 1:33pm
    Galadriel and semantics CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 20 2012, 7:37pm
        Magic vs Blessed Cyberia Send a private message to Cyberia Dec 21 2012, 12:22am
            Elvish magic (a helpful/distracting thought from "On Fairy Stories" noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 21 2012, 4:12pm
    Palantiri vs Skype CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 20 2012, 10:14pm
        Or the palantir as YouTube? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 21 2012, 6:59pm
    Gandalf's magic: a wizard's must CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 21 2012, 2:51am
        Compare & Contrast: Terry Pratchett's witches noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 27 2012, 12:55pm
            Magic and knowledge to Medieval witch hunters CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 28 2012, 2:06am
    A problem of terminology Mim Send a private message to Mim Dec 23 2012, 6:41pm
        Magic & Grace of Valar/Aman/Undying Lands Nolofinwe Send a private message to Nolofinwe Dec 24 2012, 3:38pm
            You can add to that sador Send a private message to sador Dec 24 2012, 4:33pm
            The dark side of magic: Nazgul CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 24 2012, 7:56pm
                passive elven magic Cyberia Send a private message to Cyberia Dec 24 2012, 10:10pm
                Light vs. Dark.. Nolofinwe Send a private message to Nolofinwe Dec 25 2012, 4:56am
                    Perception of Lorien (and Imladris for that matter) Nolofinwe Send a private message to Nolofinwe Dec 25 2012, 4:09pm
                        Good comparisons CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 25 2012, 4:24pm
                            Yes Nolofinwe Send a private message to Nolofinwe Dec 25 2012, 4:31pm
                Evidence of anger? Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Dec 26 2012, 2:37pm
                    Read Gandalf's explanation to Frodo CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 28 2012, 1:55am
                        Well, to be fair... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Dec 28 2012, 9:26pm
        Please do! noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 27 2012, 12:45pm
        Hobbit magic (to add to the pot!) noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 27 2012, 6:21pm
    Elves/Rivendell Nolofinwe Send a private message to Nolofinwe Dec 31 2012, 3:05pm

 
 
 

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