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Elthir
Grey Havens
Dec 22 2012, 8:22pm
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(...) Could not the Noldor repent of their rebellion and be pardoned? I guess in that sense it is the ban that is being put aside. I think we're on the same page, right? I'm not sure. I think so It seems to me that Tolkien is noting Manwe neglecting the rules of the ban to allow Glorfindel's physical return in Aman -- before the Noldor in general are pardoned after the War of Wrath (except for Galadriel, for example, who remained banned at this point). So the ban is seemingly still in play even if a given Noldo has repented before its lifting. Or why would Manwe need to neglect his ordinance if the ban was already lifted? Which made me think (unless there is something else that I'm forgetting here) that Tolkien could have run around this by waiting something like around 80 Sun Years for the rehousing of Glorfindel. I'm referring to the years between the Fall of Gondolin (death of Glorfindel) and the end of the First Age (SY 590 if I remember all the dates correctly), if the ban was lifted around the end of this Age. Or something!
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Exil Noldor-to Aman or to Tol Eressea?
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Nerven
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Dec 10 2012, 4:28pm
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Good question
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elevorn
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Dec 10 2012, 5:38pm
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Letters or the Tale
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 4:10pm
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Not a fan of the idea
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Ardamírë
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Dec 11 2012, 7:25pm
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Visiting Valinor?
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 8:18pm
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Like being stuck looking over the fence at the party
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CuriousG
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Dec 11 2012, 9:07pm
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edited version
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 9:34pm
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That´s
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Nerven
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Dec 11 2012, 9:37pm
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later citations
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 9:50pm
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it shouldn't be illegal.
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PhantomS
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Dec 15 2012, 12:29am
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I've pondered this myself
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Finwe
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Dec 17 2012, 8:53pm
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Finrod walks with finarfin in eldamar
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 5:42pm
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Interesting point...
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 5:49pm
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You're trippin
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 6:11pm
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Like I said
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 6:51pm
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Beren and luthien only edited by Christopher.
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 7:19pm
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I looked in Voronwe's book
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 8:14pm
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A bigger question--what about the others?
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 8:31pm
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Reincarnation
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 9:15pm
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That had to be a long line of people waiting to be judged after the Nirnaeth Arnoediad
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 9:46pm
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Desire
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 10:49pm
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Beautiful, but sad
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CuriousG
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Dec 21 2012, 1:06am
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Sad but beautiful
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Ardamírë
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Dec 21 2012, 1:19am
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I would date this revision...
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Elthir
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Dec 21 2012, 7:02pm
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The ban of the Noldor
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 12:24am
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I
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:15am
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Galadriel's home
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 3:29pm
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Late quotes
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 3:53pm
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Bodily return
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 2:58pm
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Glorfindel
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 3:35pm
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Goldilocks
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 4:09pm
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Manwe's ordinances
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 4:17pm
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Glorfindel II
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 4:22pm
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My
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 5:13pm
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Ingil's return
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 5:45pm
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I don't remember if anyone has brought this up
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:18pm
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I
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:26pm
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It's says the Eldar
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:31pm
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Yes,
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:40pm
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The Noldor
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:45pm
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You
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:48pm
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In some versions
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:55pm
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external chronology
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 8:02pm
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But he's gone through purgatory
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:15pm
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How many Sun Years
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 8:22pm
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I
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 8:32pm
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Exil
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 8:41pm
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Good question
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 9:15pm
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Tolkien
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Nerven
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Dec 23 2012, 12:21pm
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Yeah, something like that
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Ardamírë
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Dec 23 2012, 2:38am
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Chill
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 6:18pm
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I thought of the same thing after reading Finwe's post...
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 6:23pm
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Tone
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 6:33pm
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Finarfin
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 6:45pm
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This statement...
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Elthir
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Dec 20 2012, 11:04pm
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