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Ardamírë
Valinor
Dec 20 2012, 6:51pm
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It's completely fine if you want to take the Silmarillion as the final authority. But for me, it is not. Our very own Voronwe_the_faithful published a book called Arda Reconstructed: the Creation of the Published Silmarillion. It's an excellent read. It goes sentence by sentence, and often word by word, through the Silmarillion and shows where Christopher got that line, sentence, word from. So yes, the published Silmarillion is as much Christopher's work as it is his father's.
You're right that in the beginning of HoME, which was first written beginning in 1916, Tolkien used names differently than he later would, but that's just the nature of writing. Names, concepts, and even whole plots get edited and changed along the way. To utterly disregard these earlier works is a mistake, IMO. One reason is because the majority of the end of the Silmarillion, from the death of Turin to the end of the book, was never fully revised or rewritten. So Christopher had to do something to complete the book satisfactorily. The Tale of the Nauglamir he completely rewrote himself, and the tales of Tuor and Earendil he used the very old Qenta Noldorinwa (which was only partially revised later in the 1930s).
The point is that Christopher picked and chose what he thought was best to put into the book, but not all of it was necessarily his father's final wish, and that is a fact.
ETA - if you'll read my posts above, you'll see that I never said the Noldor should be stuff on Tol Eressea. I've actually argued for the opposite.
Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! Hail Eärendil, brightest of stars!
(This post was edited by Ardamírë on Dec 20 2012, 6:52pm)
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Exil Noldor-to Aman or to Tol Eressea?
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Nerven
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Dec 10 2012, 4:28pm
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Good question
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elevorn
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Dec 10 2012, 5:38pm
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Letters or the Tale
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 4:10pm
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Not a fan of the idea
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Ardamírë
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Dec 11 2012, 7:25pm
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Visiting Valinor?
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 8:18pm
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Like being stuck looking over the fence at the party
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CuriousG
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Dec 11 2012, 9:07pm
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edited version
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 9:34pm
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That´s
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Nerven
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Dec 11 2012, 9:37pm
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later citations
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 9:50pm
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it shouldn't be illegal.
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PhantomS
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Dec 15 2012, 12:29am
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I've pondered this myself
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Finwe
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Dec 17 2012, 8:53pm
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Finrod walks with finarfin in eldamar
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 5:42pm
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Interesting point...
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 5:49pm
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You're trippin
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 6:11pm
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Like I said
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 6:51pm
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Beren and luthien only edited by Christopher.
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 7:19pm
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I looked in Voronwe's book
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 8:14pm
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A bigger question--what about the others?
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 8:31pm
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Reincarnation
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 9:15pm
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That had to be a long line of people waiting to be judged after the Nirnaeth Arnoediad
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 9:46pm
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Desire
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 10:49pm
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Beautiful, but sad
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CuriousG
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Dec 21 2012, 1:06am
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Sad but beautiful
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Ardamírë
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Dec 21 2012, 1:19am
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I would date this revision...
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Elthir
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Dec 21 2012, 7:02pm
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The ban of the Noldor
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 12:24am
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I
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:15am
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Galadriel's home
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 3:29pm
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Late quotes
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 3:53pm
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Bodily return
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 2:58pm
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Glorfindel
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 3:35pm
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Goldilocks
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 4:09pm
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Manwe's ordinances
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 4:17pm
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Glorfindel II
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 4:22pm
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My
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 5:13pm
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Ingil's return
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 5:45pm
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I don't remember if anyone has brought this up
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:18pm
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I
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:26pm
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It's says the Eldar
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:31pm
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Yes,
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:40pm
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The Noldor
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:45pm
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You
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:48pm
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In some versions
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:55pm
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external chronology
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 8:02pm
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But he's gone through purgatory
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:15pm
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How many Sun Years
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 8:22pm
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I
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 8:32pm
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Exil
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 8:41pm
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Good question
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 9:15pm
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Tolkien
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Nerven
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Dec 23 2012, 12:21pm
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Yeah, something like that
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Ardamírë
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Dec 23 2012, 2:38am
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Chill
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 6:18pm
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I thought of the same thing after reading Finwe's post...
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 6:23pm
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Tone
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 6:33pm
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Finarfin
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 6:45pm
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This statement...
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Elthir
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Dec 20 2012, 11:04pm
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