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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 6:11pm
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Well I do think the silmarillion is the final authority. Although it is condensed, it is the HoME, just cleaned up and corrected. How are you gonna trust those books more then the silmarillion when the vanyar are called teleri and the noldor called gnomes and many other things that don't add up anymore. The history of middle earth, although more detailed and fun to read are inaccurate and incorrect. Tolkein makes not of many of these things in his notes. Christopher tolkein did not write the silmarillion, he only edited it. He edited things his father had established as concrete. Like the noldor instead of gnomes. And the vanyer having their proper title along with the teleri. Basically the HoME is like the old testament while the silmarillion is the new testament. And just cause the silmarillion is condensed doesn't make it invalid. And please tell me why you'd prefer the noldor to be stuck on tol erresea and how their punishment wouldn't be a punishment on the teleri themselves? Who did nothing wrong? Why would the valar and illuvetar place the burden on the teleri who suffered more from the noldor then any others? If you can't answer how the teleri wouldn't be burdened with this and if you can explain how manwe and the valar were able to release melkor of his setence, then why would they never release the noldor of there doom? And no offense, I really don't see you giving me any good answer as to these questions. And if you can't then, I cannot in any way, believe otherwise of the noldor being pardoned. The clearest and most recent up to date evidence is my quote above of finrod walking in eldamar. It is written, more recently then HoME, not really sure how you can over look that or act as if it doesn't count case tolkein son, chose how to edit these stories not actually write them himself. What is in the silmarillion was written by jrr himself.
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Exil Noldor-to Aman or to Tol Eressea?
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Nerven
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Dec 10 2012, 4:28pm
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Good question
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elevorn
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Dec 10 2012, 5:38pm
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Letters or the Tale
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 4:10pm
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Not a fan of the idea
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Ardamírë
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Dec 11 2012, 7:25pm
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Visiting Valinor?
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 8:18pm
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Like being stuck looking over the fence at the party
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CuriousG
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Dec 11 2012, 9:07pm
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edited version
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 9:34pm
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That´s
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Nerven
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Dec 11 2012, 9:37pm
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later citations
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 9:50pm
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it shouldn't be illegal.
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PhantomS
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Dec 15 2012, 12:29am
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I've pondered this myself
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Finwe
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Dec 17 2012, 8:53pm
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Finrod walks with finarfin in eldamar
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 5:42pm
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Interesting point...
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 5:49pm
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You're trippin
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 6:11pm
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Like I said
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 6:51pm
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Beren and luthien only edited by Christopher.
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 7:19pm
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I looked in Voronwe's book
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 8:14pm
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A bigger question--what about the others?
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 8:31pm
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Reincarnation
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 9:15pm
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That had to be a long line of people waiting to be judged after the Nirnaeth Arnoediad
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 9:46pm
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Desire
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 10:49pm
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Beautiful, but sad
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CuriousG
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Dec 21 2012, 1:06am
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Sad but beautiful
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Ardamírë
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Dec 21 2012, 1:19am
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I would date this revision...
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Elthir
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Dec 21 2012, 7:02pm
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The ban of the Noldor
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 12:24am
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I
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:15am
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Galadriel's home
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 3:29pm
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Late quotes
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 3:53pm
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Bodily return
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 2:58pm
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Glorfindel
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 3:35pm
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Goldilocks
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 4:09pm
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Manwe's ordinances
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 4:17pm
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Glorfindel II
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 4:22pm
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My
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 5:13pm
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Ingil's return
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 5:45pm
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I don't remember if anyone has brought this up
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:18pm
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I
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:26pm
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It's says the Eldar
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:31pm
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Yes,
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:40pm
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The Noldor
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:45pm
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You
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:48pm
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In some versions
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:55pm
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external chronology
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 8:02pm
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But he's gone through purgatory
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:15pm
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How many Sun Years
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 8:22pm
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I
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 8:32pm
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Exil
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 8:41pm
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Good question
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 9:15pm
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Tolkien
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Nerven
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Dec 23 2012, 12:21pm
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Yeah, something like that
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Ardamírë
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Dec 23 2012, 2:38am
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Chill
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 6:18pm
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I thought of the same thing after reading Finwe's post...
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 6:23pm
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Tone
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 6:33pm
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Finarfin
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 6:45pm
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This statement...
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Elthir
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Dec 20 2012, 11:04pm
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