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Elthir
Grey Havens
Dec 18 2012, 6:47pm
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... he raises the idea, first saying as he understands things (or similar), then saying that he 'heard' it, and ultimately asks Stephen Colbert about it. Earlier someone quoted this much [at another site]. Sorry I don't have the source. 'That goes back to JRR Tolkien writing The Hobbit first, for children, and only after did he develop his mythology much more over the 16 or 17 years later when The Lord of the Rings came out, which is way more epic and mythic and serious. What people have to realize is we've adapted The Hobbit, plus taken this additional 125 pages of notes, that's what you'd call them. Because Tolkien himself was planning the rewrite The Hobbit after The Lord of the Rings, to make it speak to the story of The Lord of the Rings much more. In the novel, Gandalf disappears for various patches of time. In 1936, when Tolkien was writing that book, he didn't have a clue what Gandalf was doing. But later on, when he did The Lord of the Rings and he'd hit on this whole epic story, he was going to go back and revise The Hobbit and he wrote all these notes about how Gandalf disappears and was really investigating the possible return of Sauron, the villain from The Lord of the Rings. Sauron doesn't appear at all in The Hobbit. Tolkien was retrospectively fitting The Hobbit to embrace that mythology. He never wrote that book, but there are 125 pages of notes published at the back of Return of the King in one of the later editions. It was called The Appendices, and they are essentially his expanded Hobbit notes. So we had the rights to those as well and were allowed to use them.' Said Jackson: 'We haven't just adapted The Hobbit; we've adapted that book plus great chunks of his appendices and woven it all together. The movie explains where Gandalf goes; the book never does. We've explained it using Tolkien's own notes. That helped inform the tone of the movie, because it allowed us to pull in material he wrote in The Lord of the Rings era and incorporate it with The Hobbit.' Jackson's more implying things here in my opinion, and even if unintentionally, he's also leaving out details about the actual textual history of The Hobbit. Ah geordie beat me to it!
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Did Tolkien actually want to rewrite The Hobbit?
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Níniel
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Dec 17 2012, 5:02pm
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Yes, but not badly enough to complete a full revision...
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Otaku-sempai
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Dec 17 2012, 5:08pm
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thank you!
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Níniel
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Dec 17 2012, 5:13pm
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My source
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Otaku-sempai
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Dec 17 2012, 5:27pm
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Gosh, you're quick -
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geordie
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Dec 17 2012, 5:35pm
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If I might pop in -
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geordie
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Dec 17 2012, 5:34pm
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Wow, that's an interesting story!//
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Níniel
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Dec 17 2012, 5:39pm
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Just to add...
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Elthir
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Dec 17 2012, 9:08pm
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look for the Steven Colbert
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demanon
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Dec 18 2012, 1:12am
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Yes but...
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Elthir
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Dec 18 2012, 3:47am
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Well there might be some split hairs lying around here somewhere <checks the floor>
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Escapist
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Dec 18 2012, 3:57am
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But Peter Jackson has introduced the idea...
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Elthir
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Dec 18 2012, 5:23pm
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That sounds too precise to be warranted to me //
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Escapist
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Dec 18 2012, 5:28pm
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What exactly...
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Elthir
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Dec 18 2012, 5:30pm
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no //
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Escapist
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Dec 18 2012, 5:48pm
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when did he introduce this idea?//
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elevorn
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Dec 18 2012, 6:16pm
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Here, in this interview...
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Elthir
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Dec 18 2012, 6:47pm
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okay...
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elevorn
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Dec 18 2012, 7:05pm
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the issue at the moment
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Elthir
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Dec 18 2012, 8:59pm
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Philippa
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 12:16am
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...and Fran perhaps don't know the appendices that well, either.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 19 2012, 1:11am
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It's interesting, to say the least
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 3:40am
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If nobody minds, i'll just pop in this quote here -
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geordie
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Dec 18 2012, 6:38pm
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I read this a few days ago
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 12:11am
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the smoke
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Elthir
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Dec 19 2012, 4:25am
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It's definitely odd
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 5:06am
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TORN's Hobbit-movie forum is moving so fast right now
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 19 2012, 6:35pm
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I think it's a combination of some of these and something else -
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geordie
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Dec 19 2012, 7:31am
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Hmm
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macfalk
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Dec 19 2012, 10:55am
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Aragorn and Arwen
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 2:59pm
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In my verision
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macfalk
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Dec 19 2012, 3:08pm
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Woah
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 3:39pm
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Jackson's copy
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Elthir
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Dec 19 2012, 4:27pm
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I can't imagine a copy without the appendices
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 5:17pm
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Not ten years -
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geordie
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Dec 19 2012, 6:55pm
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I suppose
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Ardamírë
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Dec 19 2012, 7:08pm
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To be fair this doesnt seem heavly implied...
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moreorless
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Jan 4 2013, 10:58am
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But there are other interviews with him
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Ardamírë
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Jan 4 2013, 5:25pm
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I've said it before - and please forgive the repitition....
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dormouse
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Dec 19 2012, 7:21pm
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That makes sense to me
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CuriousG
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Dec 19 2012, 9:29pm
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I can't agree, as...
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Elthir
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Dec 19 2012, 9:49pm
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Yes, but you're analysing words spoken in interview....
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dormouse
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Dec 19 2012, 11:27pm
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words
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Elthir
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Dec 20 2012, 3:51am
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Dont' forget all the interview back in July
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 4:05am
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interviews
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Elthir
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Dec 20 2012, 4:17am
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Yes, but
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 4:23am
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Well there is that question too
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Elthir
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Dec 20 2012, 4:28am
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I think what Dormouse says is true
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 4:45am
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I love your comment
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 1:32pm
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Oh thank you!//
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 4:39pm
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The PJ and P.Boyens bashing is getting tiresome
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macfalk
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Dec 20 2012, 9:49pm
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I suppose you're right
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 10:00pm
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Why are you injecting this into this thread
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Elthir
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Dec 20 2012, 10:08pm
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Yes...
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macfalk
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Dec 20 2012, 10:38pm
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Who exactly...
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Elthir
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Dec 20 2012, 10:45pm
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Please excuse me
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Níniel
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Dec 21 2012, 2:58am
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Well...
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Elthir
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Dec 21 2012, 3:36am
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JRRT's Rewrite
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Ostadan
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Dec 27 2012, 9:36pm
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I missed your article in August.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 27 2012, 11:40pm
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Interesting
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tolkienreborn
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Jan 1 2013, 9:51am
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