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This definitely confirms the point

Eärwen of Mithlond
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Dec 18 2012, 7:01am


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This definitely confirms the point [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for bringing up that part from "Many Partings" -- I think your interpretation has got to be right. Which brings me back to my thoughts about Saruman's path to corruption and desire for power.
I guess the point I am realizing now is that I never considered how long Saruman had desired power. I must not have paid enough attention to his backstory. I think until now I had just kind of assumed that when he took Gandalf captive in FOTR, he had just turned corrupt not that long before that, maybe as a result of interacting with Sauron with the palantir. And I'm realizing now how off that was. He wanted unquestioned authority over everyone ever since the White Council was formed, which he didn't get because Galadriel, who called the Council, had more respect for Gandalf. He wanted to find the One and use it to "order all the world to his will" (Silmarillion, "Of the Rings of Power etc") long before Sauron revealed himself as Sauron or left Dol Guldur. And so this is why I'm wondering if the politics on the White Council in any way influenced or increased his desire to find the One for himself. Did he feel that having the One was going to be the only way to assert his dominance in Middle-Earth over peers who had the Three?
This might seem too speculative, but I think it's really different about Saruman that he was not, like most people, corrupted or tempted because of the influence of the Ring. (No one offered it to him.) Rather, the seeds of corruption were already there in his desire for dominance that came from being in a place of power, which led to the desire for more power -- a cycle of corruption.
At least, this makes sense to me...

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Subject User Time
Saruman and the Three Rings (of the Elves) Eärwen of Mithlond Send a private message to Eärwen of Mithlond Dec 14 2012, 6:56am
    Saruman the White Hanky PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Dec 15 2012, 12:36am
    Oh, he knew CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 15 2012, 6:58pm
        "You ruined your Three Rings..." Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 15 2012, 11:28pm
            One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to bind them Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Dec 16 2012, 12:35am
                Then... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 16 2012, 3:42am
                    Apparently there's a flaw inherent in Ring-of-Power making. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 16 2012, 4:53am
                        It was Smallbottle in Jan. 2004. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 16 2012, 5:33am
                        golden flaw Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Dec 16 2012, 4:48pm
                    A few possibilities CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 16 2012, 4:59pm
                        my thoughts exactly telain Send a private message to telain Dec 17 2012, 6:07pm
                            Wholesome Hollin and Homely Houses CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 17 2012, 6:35pm
                                going slightly off-topic... telain Send a private message to telain Dec 18 2012, 3:15pm
                                    It does sound a bit haughty; and, a contradiction for Galadriel? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 18 2012, 7:57pm
                                        interesting! telain Send a private message to telain Dec 20 2012, 1:46pm
                                        The elven rings didn't enchant the lands Cyberia Send a private message to Cyberia Dec 21 2012, 12:13am
                                            Yes, she didn't need Saruman to taunt her with her fate CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 21 2012, 1:11am
                                        Galadriel spent most of the (post-exile) First Age in Doriath SilentLion Send a private message to SilentLion Dec 26 2012, 4:50pm
                                            I Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Dec 26 2012, 5:41pm
                                            The defense of Lorien Cyberia Send a private message to Cyberia Dec 27 2012, 12:32am
                                                That Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Dec 27 2012, 1:10pm
                                            Great point. I overlooked Melian's mentorship.// CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 28 2012, 1:48am
            was it not elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Dec 17 2012, 3:24pm
        This definitely confirms the point Eärwen of Mithlond Send a private message to Eärwen of Mithlond Dec 18 2012, 7:01am
            Your point makes sense to me too CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 18 2012, 1:59pm
                Yeah Eärwen of Mithlond Send a private message to Eärwen of Mithlond Dec 19 2012, 5:17am

 
 
 

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