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Eärwen of Mithlond
The Shire
Dec 18 2012, 7:01am
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This definitely confirms the point
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Thanks for bringing up that part from "Many Partings" -- I think your interpretation has got to be right. Which brings me back to my thoughts about Saruman's path to corruption and desire for power.
I guess the point I am realizing now is that I never considered how long Saruman had desired power. I must not have paid enough attention to his backstory. I think until now I had just kind of assumed that when he took Gandalf captive in FOTR, he had just turned corrupt not that long before that, maybe as a result of interacting with Sauron with the palantir. And I'm realizing now how off that was. He wanted unquestioned authority over everyone ever since the White Council was formed, which he didn't get because Galadriel, who called the Council, had more respect for Gandalf. He wanted to find the One and use it to "order all the world to his will" (Silmarillion, "Of the Rings of Power etc") long before Sauron revealed himself as Sauron or left Dol Guldur. And so this is why I'm wondering if the politics on the White Council in any way influenced or increased his desire to find the One for himself. Did he feel that having the One was going to be the only way to assert his dominance in Middle-Earth over peers who had the Three?
This might seem too speculative, but I think it's really different about Saruman that he was not, like most people, corrupted or tempted because of the influence of the Ring. (No one offered it to him.) Rather, the seeds of corruption were already there in his desire for dominance that came from being in a place of power, which led to the desire for more power -- a cycle of corruption.
At least, this makes sense to me...
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Saruman and the Three Rings (of the Elves)
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Eärwen of Mithlond
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Dec 14 2012, 6:56am
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Saruman the White Hanky
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PhantomS
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Dec 15 2012, 12:36am
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Oh, he knew
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CuriousG
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Dec 15 2012, 6:58pm
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"You ruined your Three Rings..."
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Elizabeth
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Dec 15 2012, 11:28pm
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One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to bind them
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Felagund
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Dec 16 2012, 12:35am
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Then...
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Elizabeth
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Dec 16 2012, 3:42am
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Apparently there's a flaw inherent in Ring-of-Power making.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 16 2012, 4:53am
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It was Smallbottle in Jan. 2004.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 16 2012, 5:33am
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golden flaw
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Felagund
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Dec 16 2012, 4:48pm
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A few possibilities
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CuriousG
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Dec 16 2012, 4:59pm
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my thoughts exactly
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telain
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Dec 17 2012, 6:07pm
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Wholesome Hollin and Homely Houses
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CuriousG
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Dec 17 2012, 6:35pm
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going slightly off-topic...
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telain
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Dec 18 2012, 3:15pm
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It does sound a bit haughty; and, a contradiction for Galadriel?
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CuriousG
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Dec 18 2012, 7:57pm
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interesting!
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telain
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Dec 20 2012, 1:46pm
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The elven rings didn't enchant the lands
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Cyberia
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Dec 21 2012, 12:13am
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Yes, she didn't need Saruman to taunt her with her fate
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CuriousG
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Dec 21 2012, 1:11am
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Galadriel spent most of the (post-exile) First Age in Doriath
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SilentLion
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Dec 26 2012, 4:50pm
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I
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Nerven
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Dec 26 2012, 5:41pm
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The defense of Lorien
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Cyberia
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Dec 27 2012, 12:32am
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That
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Nerven
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Dec 27 2012, 1:10pm
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Great point. I overlooked Melian's mentorship.//
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CuriousG
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Dec 28 2012, 1:48am
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was it not
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elevorn
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Dec 17 2012, 3:24pm
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This definitely confirms the point
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Eärwen of Mithlond
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Dec 18 2012, 7:01am
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Your point makes sense to me too
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CuriousG
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Dec 18 2012, 1:59pm
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Yeah
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Eärwen of Mithlond
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Dec 19 2012, 5:17am
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