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Curses can be your best friend

CuriousG
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Dec 16 2012, 6:29pm


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I think the Hurin curse worked well for Morgoth in a geopolitical sense.

1. Turin's pride led him to build the bridge over the river that betrayed Nargothrond's location and allowed it to be invaded by Glaurung.
2. Hurin's lament to Turgon revealed its general location to Morgoth.
3. Hurin's delivery of the Nauglamir to Thingol gave the latter the idea of having Dwarves set the Silmaril in the middle of it, which led to their fight with Thingol and a chain reaction of events which destroyed Doriath and made enemies between Elves and Dwarves.

So three hidden kingdoms were destroyed as consequences of the curse. Nice work, actually.

To give the devil his due, Morgoth learned from his mistakes in battle and invented the dragons when it became clear that orcs alone couldn't defeat the Noldor. Also, he was effective in exploiting the divisions of his enemies, and you point out that he had no internal dissent himself. (Though it was partly from fear of his own followers that he went out to fight Fingolfin: "he took not the challenge willingly...but he could not now deny the challenge before the face of his captains.")

To go back to the original post of evil marring itself, I came across this tidbit while rummaging through the Silmarillion. The Noldor come to Beleriand just as the Valar create the Sun. They fight with Morgoth, then Maedhros is taken hostage and attached to a rock, and Morgoth creates a new darkness to blot out the Sun (Sauron was such a copycat). Fingon goes to rescue his cousin "and aided by the very darkness that Morgoth had made he came unseen into the fastness of his foes."

Subject User Time
Oft evil will shall evil mar - a recurring theme? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 5 2012, 5:28pm
    A few more examples... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 5 2012, 6:16pm
        Heartily agree I do CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 5 2012, 7:45pm
        And more CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 6 2012, 6:03pm
            The one ring itself noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 6 2012, 6:23pm
    Yes, and by no means limited to Tolkien. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 6 2012, 6:24pm
        The formula for James Bond and other villains CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 6 2012, 8:25pm
        Interesting which side has an "evil overlord " plan? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 6 2012, 10:34pm
            Sauron as Evil Overlord Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 7 2012, 3:45am
                Ah, I should have said "no Evil Overlord mistakes except the ones I didn't think of"... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 7 2012, 10:54am
                    Plotholes and eagles CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 7 2012, 4:26pm
                        Nazgul combat air patrol noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 7 2012, 5:09pm
                        A new eagle plot hole filler noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 7 2012, 5:35pm
                            It's an inexhaustable discussion topic. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 7 2012, 7:07pm
                                I'm glad they didn't, but CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 7 2012, 7:27pm
                                    I agree with this Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Dec 7 2012, 8:54pm
                                        Isn't there some Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Dec 8 2012, 3:36am
                                            In all honesty Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Dec 8 2012, 4:01pm
                    Heroes and underdogs CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 7 2012, 4:33pm
                The Nazgul and Evil Overlord rule 80 noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 7 2012, 6:36pm
            I think Sauron was clever about the One Ring CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 7 2012, 4:05pm
                An odd Return to Owner feature noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 7 2012, 4:27pm
        To say nothing of an idea likely close to Tolkien's heart: SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Dec 7 2012, 2:55pm
    interesting topic elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Dec 10 2012, 8:32pm
        A bit of both noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 10 2012, 9:14pm
        Credibility and the One Ring CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 11 2012, 4:58pm
            That's worth 2 new threads! :) noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 16 2012, 7:09pm
                Gandalf answered #1 CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 16 2012, 8:52pm
                    given the slightest encouragement... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 18 2012, 12:07pm
    The greatest example of this has yet to be said!!!!!!!!!! Beren0nehanded Send a private message to Beren0nehanded Dec 11 2012, 1:26pm
    Morgoth the exception? Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Dec 16 2012, 5:25pm
        Curses can be your best friend CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 16 2012, 6:29pm
    link to eucatastrophy noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 18 2012, 3:22pm
        Second thoughts! noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 18 2012, 7:02pm
            Post then self-disagree? All too often. :) // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 18 2012, 7:45pm
                "We knows what we thinks, precious." "No, no we doesn't think that at all!" noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 18 2012, 9:53pm

 
 
 

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